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[โ€“] letranger@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is inaccurate, there are undetonated clusterbombs on my lego plate

[โ€“] sicaniv@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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Seeds of conflict based economy growth.

[โ€“] Life2Space@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I always knew that the Earth is flat. I'm glad that it's finally confirmed.

[โ€“] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's nice to realise we're not the only ones who accept this truth, right? I was kinda scared of bringing it up in case we didn't see eye-to-eye (of course, you and I know that with a powerful enough pair of binoculars and no buildings or hills in the way, we'd be able to see eye-to eye even if we were stood on opposite corners of the ~~globe~~ earth but not everyone is ready for that).

[โ€“] Bl00dyH3ll@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

'Twas a joke. I couldn't be a flat-earther; I wouldn't know what to call the global north/south. Maybe square A1/C2/C3 and squares A2, A3, B1, B2, B3, C1 but its easier just to accept the world is a round-ish kind of egg-shape.

[โ€“] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously once you build a tall tower you just take more brick from the bottom and put them on the top. Checkmate tankies.

[โ€“] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They literally tried that already. [Edit: to clarify, I mean that although you joke, the liberals actually thought it would be a good idea.] Have you seen The Big Short? It's ultimately a bit liberal, but it's good enough nonetheless.

[โ€“] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh I am very aware of the fucked state of the US stock market. Moreso than I'd say the vast majority of the US population. There's so many layers of the how fucked that thing is. On of the things I really hate are when people say "the stock market is corrupt." No, no it's not. The stock market is working the EXACT way it was always intended. As a scheme for the rich to steal from the working class. That's it. That's ALL it is.

[โ€“] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it simple enough for libs?๐Ÿค”

[โ€“] luchuan@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right. It needs 2 cows as well.

[โ€“] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

According to the cow example, feudalism is the most profitable to a citizen - I am not convinced ๐Ÿ˜

[โ€“] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Exactly, I was going to say seems like these people want feudalism

[โ€“] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao, have you seen the "Anarcho-Capitalism" snippet. You already know who wrote that idiocy just by reading that xD

[โ€“] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the link suggested that this is some university, I supposed acaps are to stupid to finish higher degree or, worse, to teach. But maybe in U$ this is possible. BTW, recently, our brave Polish Anarchists on szmer.info have new communities: "liberalism" and "christian democracy". Very active. No joke, sadly

[โ€“] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I had no expectations for them and still ended up dissapointed.

[โ€“] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is anyone actually convinced by the practical impossibility of infinite growth? I'm not saying the argument is wrong, but you all know how pig-headed liberals are when confronted with materialism. I had nominally intelligent, well-educated people bring up "who'll pay insurance and pension funds?" when I was trying to explain the concept of surplus value.

[โ€“] HaSch@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I struggle to fathom what impact insurance and pension payments are supposed to have on this argument. Will there be extra matter emerging from a wormhole in spacetime if Earth's physical resources are insufficient to respect human contracts? Should we start from their 1099 forms and then deduce the mass and volume of our planet?

[โ€“] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't recall how exactly it started, if I had to guess I'd say I made a remark impying all employers are exploiters. I tried to explain the concept of the surplus value in the simplest terms. I explained the simplest model, they said the worker doesn't actually sell the product and that there's other factors involved. I explained that logistics, selling etc are also labour and that I'm only talking on a simplistic model, that it can be expanded. They brought up an individual, a friend who happens to be a bourgeois leech, said he works hard (he does). I explained that his managership and ownership are essentially different hats, and that he could employ people to do the job, not work a second, and still go home with money. They mentioned insurances and shit.

I got flustered. I had faith in the intelligence of these people, and they just said that. I don't remember how it went later, but it got into the subject of risk. I said proles risk far more, life and limb, while capitalists risk comfort and ranking. One of them claimed he had many friends who lost everything they had, presumably he meant start-ups, he knew a lot of those. I guess I made a flippant remark because it got heates and we had to just arguing to cool off.

At what point does this barrage of minutiae stop being honest questions and become sealioning? I can't tell. It's a cringy memory for me all around but if nothing else it was an experience.

[โ€“] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

One of them claimed he had many friends who lost everything they had, presumably he meant start-ups, he knew a lot of those.

You've got to wonder how people can still believe in capitalism when they give direct or semi-direct experience of so many new businesses going under. At this point, I like to get them in my side by pointing out how big capitalists have market advantages, which makes it so difficult for ordinary people to become rich by working hard.

As you say, you've got to question the intellectual honesty because they'll often agree but then go off on one about minimum wage being the real barrier or something equally asinine.

[โ€“] someuser123@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was thinking about this while peeing (sitting down). The ball sack produces an infinite amount of jizz, we just have to figure out how to use it. Karl Marx didnt think about this.

[โ€“] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Freud probably did (if you buy the Existential Comics depiction of him)

[โ€“] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I mean until we die right?

But if we solve immortality, we can use jizz as an infinite currency. I can see that.

[โ€“] bandarawan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here is an infinite sequence, always growing, but never reaching the value 1:

0, 1/2, 3/4, 7/8, 15/16, 31/32,...

So infinite growth is possible.

[โ€“] Oh_what_a_lonely_boy@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here we can also see the tendancy of the rate of profit to decline

[โ€“] bandarawan@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Sure. Infinite growth isn't the same as having a minimum positive growth.

[โ€“] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

In the same sense as a perfectly spherical cow is perfectly possible.

[โ€“] thefreepenguinalt@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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