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[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The only thing he he should be allowed to do is retake whatever high-school civics course he failed that covers how laws protect anonymous and uncoerced voting.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Watch bofa deez nuts

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair this is a reasonable request. Already parts of the process allow for "challengers" from parties to observe. He just thinks there's a gap missing and an additional part of the process should be covered.

I don't know the candidate at all, but from the referenced St Louse Post Dispatch ( https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/government-politics/early-voting-to-continue-thursday-in-st-charles-county-official-says-despite-court-order/article_676c7a2c-971b-11ef-bab2-436acacb7089.html / https://archive.is/Mo5WA ) it sounds like he's actually quite reasonable. After all,

He told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that he has no suspicion of wrongdoing and simply wants to be able to observe.

The only thing is that I wish he had done so earlier, say a year and a half ago. Then there would have been enough time then to fix this and get things approved without needing to stop anyone from early voting as the injunction he requests requires.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s neither fair nor reasonable unless he is placed behind a two way mirror so that voters cannot see him and keeps to himself. Otherwise it’s politicking and intimidation. States have rules about having to stay certain amount of feet from polling places with political signs, t-shirts, etc. The candidate is nothing but a living breathing “vote for me” billboard if they’re allowed to sit in a polling place.

If he’s really concerned about it, he should hire someone to observe who meets neutral observer qualifications (doesn’t talk to voters, sits a certain distance from the public, wears neutral clothing, etc.).

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

behind a two way mirror so that voters cannot see him

Letting him secretly watch people vote somehow seems even worse to me.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've not seen anything to suggest that the candidate wants to personally observe things.

Rather, as per the St Louis Post,

Travis Allen Heins, of St. Peters, filed for the injunction on Wednesday, saying that official "watchers" or "challengers" were wrongly being kept from observing inside polling places during early voting in St. Charles County.
His suit requests that early voting not be allowed to continue without watchers or challengers. Such observers had been disallowed by Bahr, because he said they're only allowed in when ballots are being prepared for counting, or being counted, on election day.

I.e. he's fine with meeting all the requirements you list, but he wants the observers to be able to observe the early voting tabulation on the days of early voting, not just the checks or tabulation that happens only starting on election day.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The story and headline are confusing because they repeatedly say HE should be allowed to observe. Not that he should be allowed to hire observers (even though that’s probably what’s being discussed).

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, I think it's more typical for these kinds of partisan poll observers to operate on a volunteer basis.

Here's a nice YouTube that describes one experience representing the interests of Count Binface in the recent UK election.

[–] 7112@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

The ones I've dealt with in the US in past elections were volunteers. 99% were great, but one was a former candidate and caused all kinds of problems. The clerk ended up removing him in the end.

Also in most states challengers/poll watches are not allowed to speak to voters. If they have concerns they need to talk to the actual poll workers

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