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[–] Ordoviz@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

You guys are overreacting. DDG said they would only down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation. It's normal for search engines to downrank low-quality sites such as SEO spam.

[–] dscottboggs@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

yeah, this was pretty much the consensus in the thread on this on /r/stallmanwasright. kinda surprised to see so much less of that here.

[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

DDG unfortunately is more concerned about profiting, down ranking what's told to do so, and what's more convenient for itself, and has great marketing. It's no better than Searx in that it's also meta search engine, just with better marketing. Well perhaps not as simple as that, but not that far either. Quoting someone:

BTW, I always thought duckduckgo was a pure engine, and it does as well some meta searching through bing.

So, they succeeded with marketing. The situation is exactly the opposite. It’s 99.99% rebranded Bing (and Yahoo and Yandex) with a slight touch of DuckDuckBot.

From a delete Lemmy post:

https://lemmy.ml/post/43595/comment/22034

Besides, searx uses multiple sources, not just google, which you can enable disable on the settings, as a user of any instance, :)

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[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

cool, the second hit for ukraine news is now Fox News 🤣

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Once again, the problem here is: disinformation according to whom? Themselves? The US government? NATO?

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[–] savoy@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago (7 children)

here's a list of public searx & SearXNG instances

If anyone has good experiences with any of them, definitely share!

[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I personally went with paulgo.io just because of the high quality ranking in searXNG lists the really clean UI.

UI/UX is currently the Aquilles' heel for searXNG and I really want to see it improve.

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[–] whou@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

started using searx.be since the tweet, and it seems great.

[–] ree@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have a good experienced?

[–] savoy@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't used searx in a while, DDG's !bangs were keeping me to it

[–] jumanjimanju@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

The bangs in searx are pretty damn good now. Thsts what kept me on duckduckgo a while but im really satisfied with searx

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[–] HMH@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Which alternatives should one consider?

[–] SrEstegosaurio@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Searx. It is a meta search engine but imho is the best one out there

[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Still needs better UX/UI if it ever wants to get close to being used by average folk. That's how DDG and Startpage grew so much.

[–] hanabatake@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't it one of the goal of searXNG (https://docs.searxng.org/) ? It is a fork of searx, that started mid-2021

[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh, I had no idea it existed, I stopped using searX around that time.

I admit some instances have a design that looks MUCH better than before, but it's still not good enough for the general public, since most larger instances still use searX instead of searXNG and not all instances have a nice looking interface still.

That said, I'll give one of the instances a shot as my main search engine.

[–] Echedenyan@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

You know you can change theme in the SearX config, right?.

The default is not attractive but there are some that are very attractive.

The instances you saw with other theme just did that, change the default value without real customization, with the exception of Disroot one.

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[–] dscottboggs@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

doesn't that also not solve the problem if the search engines it is searching are manipulating results?

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[–] IngrownMink4@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can find better alternatives to DuckDuckGo here. I hope you find it helpful!

[–] cooper@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There’s a similar table-style website like this but for messengers; do you have it? Cause I saw it once and haven’t been able to find it again.

[–] IngrownMink4@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I know which one you mean, and unfortunately, I can't find it in my bookmarks :(

Edit: I found this in my bookmarks

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[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (9 children)

DDG has become popular with far right groups lately. So there's some good to come from this move.

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[–] miguel@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Well, DDG is basically a privacy friendly frontend to the G* search engine, so this was to be expected. Fortunately I switched to searx. The future of the internet is federation, there is no going back.

[–] oscar@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

I mean it mostly uses Bing in the background rather than Google. Searx is kich the same in the sense it taps into other search engines. Except with Searx you get more control.

[–] miguel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

@IngrownMink4@lemmy.ml its own web crawler (duckduckgobot) uses Google search API (anonymously) It combines data from hundreds of sources including Wolfram Alpha, Wikipedia and Bing, but mostly Google.

@oscar@lemmy.ml Yep, if you want a completely independent and distributed search engine there is yacy.

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[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Question, what's the main difference between searx and searxng? I've used them indistinctly, and the 1st result when searching for the difference on searx.be (a searxng instance) is a searxng github issue with the question:

https://github.com/searxng/searxng/issues/46

Is there another one? Also the list of searx instances includes both, searx and searxng instances:

https://searx.space

How to know what meta search is each instance, without actually accessing each one (that if the instance tells you, like searx.be indicates it's searxng)?

Also, it seems, searx has less features, but that's on purpose, tying to prevent information gathering from the instances, whether by their owners or administrators. I like that. That makes me think I should really consider using searx only as much as possible, :)

searx.info used to be my preferred instance when alive, now searx.be is, :) But as searx.be is a searxng instance I might swtich to a searx one by default. I use Librewolf, and I'm wondering if there's a way to alternate/bounce between just a specific sub set of instances (the ones which countries of origin suggests more respect for privacy for example, the ones more up to date, and the ones with better security, the searx ones excluding searxng, for example).

I stopped using DDG years back, when reading it wasn't building their own indexes, and it was just another metasearch engine, just like searx itself, but worse, because it's not decentralized, it's for profit, and its head quarters are based on a non privacy respecting oriented country govt. You can read a dated post here in Lemmy:

https://lemmy.ml/post/43595/comment/22034

Unfortunately, it seems the original URL was "deleted", however here it is the URL:

https://torrentfreak.com/popular-pirate-sites-disappear-from-duckduckgos-top-search-results-201112

[–] hanabatake@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the github link sums up the differences between searx and his fork.

Version names of searx are of the form "1.0.0", whereas version names of searXNG are of the form "2022.03.07" (second column on https://searx.space).

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[–] rauba_code@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Interesting. DDG has been my primary preference since I boycott Google (search, Gmail, Play & Play Services) in 2020. I know SearX, I use it sometimes for research, but I want to get sure how metasearch works. I struggle to find information whether it 'crawls' and caches all the information from search engines, such as Google, Bing, DDG, Qwant, etc., on its server, or does it just pass your search query to these search engines and sums it up, like StartPage. But if DDG is just another nonfree metasearch, as you say, then it does not matter.

[–] MrGamingHimself@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Alright everyone, lets take bets. How long do you think before they remove that tweet?

[–] toneverends@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The tweet responses are telling us if we think that way about DDG we must be in with the racist maga antivax crowd.

[–] toneverends@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

DDG results have been feeling a little too curated for years now, and they've openly censored results since around the time of removing the scihub bang, which I thought was the first near-universally egregious example.

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[–] GenkiFeral@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

The day i am no longer open to hearing the other side of the story is the day I am no longer myself, but instead am an extension of someone else (media, the group, muh team, a nationalist agenda, yesterday/the past, etc). Not wanting to understand the other side (or all sides if there is time for that) is a sign of a weak character and probably of weak intelligence, as well. Understanding is not the same as agreeing or condoning.

[–] AnimyosFox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I read through some of the comments on this post, and although I get the arguments that there is not only disinformation from the Russian side, I must say that the specific intention of Russia's disinformation is to directly destabilize our western democracies and spread the denial of the war and slaughter in Ukraine. And yes, we've gotta act against the false information from western news agencies also (I live in Germany, and therefore I know a pretty good example of this with "BILD"), but the criticism of DuckDuckGo's actions and calling it censorship is, from my opinion, absolutely wrong, because we've gotta protect people from disinformation and stop the Russian war of information.

[–] GenkiFeral@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

For those of you here standing up for freedom of the press, freedom of information, high five and I wish you were my close neighbors. Thank you for respecting me enough to trust me to sort things out for myself.

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