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[โ€“] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What's the point of wearing a helmet when skydiving? If your chute doesn't open, are you supposed to try and land head first so it will protect you? ๐Ÿค”

[โ€“] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So if you crack your head jumping out you are still awake enough to pull the cord, plus if you land hard you don't smash your head on a rock.

The super high altitude jumpers had altitude devices that would automatically deploy their chutes in the event that their air supplies failed and they passed out.

[โ€“] slingstone@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

Stupid question here, I guess, but why isn't there a system to potentially deliver commercial passengers and crew to the ground in case of a crash? Military jets have ejection seats and parachutes, so why don't we have at least something required for commercial aircraft in the same vein?

Is it the money that it would undoubtedly require?

Edit: misspelling

[โ€“] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Parachuting isn't as easy as pulling a wire and gently floating to the ground. Those who parachute professionally take hundreds of hours of training. If you're brand new, you're required to strap yourself to a professional.

[โ€“] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Not a stupid question.

Between the training required for a solo parachute jump, and the cost (and more importantly) weight of the equipment, plus the relative safety of commercial flights, it's simply not justified.

In more than a few cases we've seen airliners make emergency landings that are gnarly, but the majority survive. In more cases than I can count, there's checks and balances that ground flights because of safety concerns either at the departure point or at the destination (icing, high winds, etc), or due to mechanical concerns.

It's rare that a fully inspected and functional aeroplane will fall out of the sky, and we do everything in our power to ensure that all planes that leave the ground are fully inspected and functional. Short of a freak occurrence, like a fast forming weather phenomenon, there's so many checks and balances that airliner crashes are exceedingly rare.

So not only is a crash rare, there's no guarantee that a crash will be fatal, usually the pilot can at least get the plane on the ground without killing everyone aboard, and the fact that it's a massive amount of extra weight that requires training that the average person doesn't have, there's little point and nearly nothing to gain from doing something like that, while it would have significant downsides on flight efficiency and increase the costs of fuel per flight due to the extra weight.

Then there's the consideration of, even if they were able to successfully parachute to the ground, what then? It's pretty much a guarantee that nobody has a radio, and that you're far enough away from civilization that your cellphone doesn't work, so now you have hundreds of people spread out over potentially thousands of miles of terrain/water/whatever that you now need weeks to search and rescue everyone. Taking weeks on search and rescue, pretty much guarantees that you'll find people who landed safely, then died from exposure to the environment.

On the flip side, if everyone is in the plane when it crashes then all you need to do is find the plane; everyone will be in that general area, whether alive or dead.

There's just too many downsides to having parachutes on board to make it feasible.

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[โ€“] _lilith@lemmy.world 513 points 4 days ago (13 children)

It straps you to the seat so when the plane suddenly drops 50 feet due to turbulence your dumbass doesn't launch into the ceiling.

[โ€“] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 199 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Yeah, and this is a much more frequent thing than crashes. I've been on planes multiple times when there was sudden turbulence and people without seatbelts lifted out of their seats. I don't think any of my personal experiences resulted in someone hitting their head, but that happens. There was just video of one earlier this year.

[โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ive seen a loaded drink cart get a few inches of the floor, though that one was intense enough that even the flight attendants adopted an "oh fuck we're about to die" face, which is comforting

[โ€“] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Probably less of an "everyone is going to die" and more of a "everyone is going to start screaming and vomiting" look.

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[โ€“] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 73 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I have observed that "very clever" people on the internet have a tendency to disregard solutions that are only partial, even if there is little to no downside to them.

[โ€“] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I often see that in political arguments. There's much to be said about wasting political capital on a poor and partial solution, but as you said, people bitch even if there's no real downside.

[โ€“] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (10 children)

"Oh yeah? Why should I be wearing a seatbelt in a car when it won't even save me if we crash head-on into a semi truck at 100 kph?"

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[โ€“] MudMan@fedia.io 26 points 3 days ago

Not even partial in this case. I mean, the "turbulence sending you into the ceiling" event is fully resolved here.

Anyway, just here looking for the common sense pedantic clarification, found it, so now here just to say good job.

[โ€“] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If you play the SNES version of Monopoly, you can play against CPU opponents. Mind you, this is artificial intelligence coded in 1992, on a cartridge with about 16mb of storage space for the entire game. Only a fraction of that is dedicated to the AI decision process.

If you propose a trade, I'll give CPU $5 in exchange for $0, the CPU will respond with NO DEAL!!!

But if you propose "I'll give you $100 in exchange for $0, the CPU replies "IT'S A DEAL!!!"

The CPU was holding out for a bigger handout!

Unrelated, but if you hold the B button, and don't release, you'll keep looping the shaking the dice animation. They use digital photo scans of a real hand/arm.......if it were disembodied. And the animation looks like he's just jacking off.

[โ€“] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

You weren't kidding.

Edit: I see now you said SNES, can't find a good animation of that one though. But I can see in the screenshots that it's a pseudo-mocap human hand and yeah, that would be worse.

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[โ€“] Kalkaline@leminal.space 59 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a similar reason your wear a helmet on a bicycle/motorcycle, if a car hits you doing 50+ MPH you're probably done for regardless of whether you're wearing a helmet. If you go over your handle bars face first into the pavement doing 10 MPH it keeps that injury from being catastrophic.

[โ€“] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Amen. Both sides of my head would be just scar tissue if not for motorcycle helmets. And that's just from sliding on the road, not hitting anything or being hit.

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[โ€“] modifier@lemmy.ca 51 points 3 days ago

Yeah but the cartoon is funnier.

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[โ€“] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 131 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The actual answer is that the seatbelt is there to keep your ragdoll ass from bouncing off the ceiling during heavy turbulence.

[โ€“] dnick@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago

For sure, anyone who has seen some of the videos of drink carts and luggage bouncing off the cabin ceilings during crazy turbulence shouldn't have any questions about the utility of seatbelts in less than catastrophic events.... Which of course is the goal even in 'crash' landings. There are crashes where seatbelts would obviously be worthless, but in anything short of that, you'll be happy that you weren't in a box with 300 human shaped dice being shaken up.

[โ€“] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 23 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I read this horrible post a few years ago where a PoS passenger didn't buckle up. So the car drove off a cliff, her body flew and killed people in the back seat who were buckled up. The driver survived since he was buckled in.

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[โ€“] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 110 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That factoid is from a decade or two ago, when clear air turbulence was a lot rarer. Nowadays, due to global warming, turbulence coming out of nowhere is more common, and on occasion results in unbelted passengers being thrown into the ceiling and severely injured.

[โ€“] textik@sh.itjust.works 70 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you follow avherald.com for any length of time, you'll learn that 1) the vast majority of aviation incidents are completely benign, and 2) the vast majority of injuries aboard airliners are caused by passengers not wearing their seatbelts. The seatbelts aren't there for the once-a-decade crash; they're there for the once-a-month strong turbulence event, which the airplane itself will barely even notice.

[โ€“] sfbing@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And in the rare horrific crash, the seat will not remain attached to the floor anyway.

[โ€“] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Ehhh. Aircraft seat rails are pretty freaking durable and the way seats attach to them are generally extremely secure. I wouldnt be surprised if the floor ripped away before the seat.

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[โ€“] Etterra@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago (3 children)

In the event of catastrophic damage leading to explosive decompression it should keep you from being sucked out into thin air. Like if the roof tears off like that one time. Or that Boeing thing. Or that other Boeing thing. Or that other other Boeing thing.

[โ€“] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The roof tearing off was a Boeing. an Aloha Airlines 737.

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[โ€“] ripcord@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

Or keep you from bouncing and hitting the ceiling in cases of extreme turbulence. Or yo help on cases of lower-speed crashes (cases where the plane goes into some nosedive are less likely), etc.

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[โ€“] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 50 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Crash survival statistics are actually quite surprising. Like, you have higher survivability odds in the back of the plane -- cause everyone in front of you is your crumple zone.

[โ€“] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Planes rarely reverse into mountains.

And the survival statistics have a lot to do with the amount of work that has been put into making the worst case "controlled descent into terrain" scenario exceptionally rare.

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[โ€“] ArtieShaw@fedia.io 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

About 20 years ago I read a grim book about plane crashes. They claimed that the number 1 predictor of crash survivability on commercial craft was being a male between the ages of 20 and 50. They're apparently much better equipped to claw and climb over the other passengers on the way out.

Grim. I fly a lot and think about it at least every other trip.

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[โ€“] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The stats of surviving in a plane are quite high.

The stats of surviving in a plane with at least one death are very low.

Usually, if anyone dies, everyone dies.

[โ€“] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Almost certainly true of ocean landings. But I've spent a lot of time in bush planes (no crashes, knock on wood). I've had colleagues survive crashes where others have died. Perhaps it is sample bias, or something particularly about remote crashes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Air_Flight_6560 -- two of the survivors were in the back, both working for our company. After the crash: one never returned, one just quiet quit over the next year or two.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-plane-crash-kills-2-people-1.987369 -- this plane crashed into our office building, killing the pilots, but the passengers all survived. I wasn't there, but coworkers would often describe the experience inside the building.

It happens often enough that I have two examples where I'm only one degree of separation.

I had two colleagues survive a helicopter crash into a lake at full speed (calm day, no waves, pilot lost track of where the surface was) -- one of my coworked was ejected out the front window of the helicopter (seatbelt was on). Didn't even warrant a news story. But everyone survived this one, which may be a data point in your favour.

I don't have an actual source for stats. Got anything?

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[โ€“] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No, people die on planes all the time. Almost 3 million people fly daily, I'm guessing people die in flight almost every day due to natural causes.

However, I'm sure the stats with 2+ people dying, survival odds are quite low.

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[โ€“] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

.....what? Obviously. It's for turbulence, which is common. This comic is a joke, but not how it's intended to be.

[โ€“] realitista@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (9 children)

No, comics are the primary legitimate source of facts so I'm sure it's true.

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[โ€“] 0ops@lemm.ee 29 points 3 days ago

I like the use of perspective in that last panel

[โ€“] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't this proven wrong on mythbusters too?

[โ€“] finestnothing@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago

Yep - the seatbelt and the crash position are extremely effective at preventing death and lessening injuries

[โ€“] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is he clicking or unclicking it?

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