This is what the US is hounding China to do because they're absolutely convinced that COVID-19 was created in a lab despite no real evidence (and a full WHO audit in China finding nothing). So they wouldn't be so hypocritical as to refuse to do it themselves right?

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Even bigger issue is the fact that US routinely engages in chemical and biological warfare on top of being the only country that has used nuclear weapons not only in Japan (twice), but also in Iraq in the form of depleted uranium rounds.

If there is one country in the world that cannot be trusted to have these kinds of facilities it's the US. I really hope this chicanery comes to an end before something horrible comes out of these labs.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

It may also be worth noting that one fisher (who was coincidentally Japanese) died shortly after exposure to the U.S.’s nuclear testing on Bikini Atoll, and that fallout from nuclear testing in the conterminous U.S. contributed to at least 340,000 excess deaths from 1951 to 1973.

[+] Julianus@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Really? Not the one that poisons dissidents, journalists, and defectors? Because that's Russia. That's the one country in the world that definitely can't be trusted.

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Poisoning dissidents is not biological or chemical warfare. For context, US dropped disease ridden insects and fowl feathers during their war on Korea. Am example of chemical warfare is their use of Agent Orange in Vietnam to hurt their agriculture which has ended up poisoning their water supply to this day.

No one is asking you to trust Russia. But Russia doesn't have 300+ labs over the world inventing novel ways to kill for them.

[–] Julianus@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm uneasy on American expenditures on biological weapons, to be sure. Even if they're researching how to counter them, the doomsday scenario is the accidental release of an airborne pathogen. The risk has never made sense to me.

But two points:

The Russians and Assad did use chemical weapons against civilians in Syria. Done simply to mop up rebel cities at the cheapest cost.
Putin poisoned his targets in the most dramatic ways possible: with radioactive isotopes and nerve agents that only governments can produce. He killed them with weapons of mass destruction just to make a point. He went to far to do it on foreign soil!

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't get your point here.

[–] Julianus@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The poisoning of dissidents was done with biological and nuclear weapons to underscore the point that Putin has them and is willing to use them flagrantly.

Also that Russia has recently used chemical weapons against civilians. If China was actually worried about this subject (and not deflecting from Covid scrutiny), they'd be watching Russia's actions in Ukraine very closely. Attacking nuclear reactors and now talking up chemical weapons indicates Russia is aiming for a false flag pretext where they blame Ukraine for Russia's misdeeds. Like accusing Ukraine of shelling their own refuges, when artillery is Russia's core strength.

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

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[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Syria did not use chemical weapons, the OPCW examiners had their reports silenced.

In a leaked email in Nov, 2019, an OPCW whistleblower stated that the US fabricated the evidence, and used it justify the air-strike. 2

[–] Julianus@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

An email you say? There's a mountain of evidence that contradicts this narrative. I remember the daily pictures of gas shell fragments from artillery strikes against Assad's opposition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course your governments authoritarian media told you syria had chemical weapons, how else could they justify dropping thousands of bombs on syria, and justify western military intervention / more coups in the middle east?

Did you read the wikileaks document?

[–] Julianus@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, Wikileaks was suborned by the FSB around 2016. I don't know what they had on Assange, but he completely stopped posting anything critical of Russia and their authoritarian media. Before that, it would credibly criticize anyone, but afterwards it became very, very suspicious.

Anyways, there's too much evidence outside of western media of chemical attacks in Syria. The main justification for western strikes in Syria was hunting ISIS. Assad and Putin's war crimes were a side note to the west. Which is why there was no regime change, in the end.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So you're just gonna intentionally contradict OPCW whistleblowers who are telling you that the US silenced their reports. Why should I believe you over them?

[–] Julianus@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Don't believe me, just widen your news sources. The truth is in the parallax.

[–] ziproot@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

COVID is not a bioweapon. That doesn't exclude the possibility that it accidentally escaped from a lab due to gain of function research, research that was funded by the United States. https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/ EDIT: Also yes, the US should be transparent about what's in their labs.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, funny how that works.

[–] mindaslab@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not a single US soldier has been punished for war crimes, how can we get USA punished for bio-warfare labs?

[–] Julianus@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/25/tweets/there-are-no-us-run-biolabs-ukraine-contrary-socia/

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

https://twitter.com/wilsonsun/status/1501597986677489664?t=Cal70SyIloldZ5ANxKMVhg&s=19

[–] liwott@nerdica.net 9 points 2 years ago

@muad_dibber @Julianus Does this declaration contradict the previous article though? She says there are labs in Ukraine, not that the US run them.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love how you provide a source to Nuland literally saying that US has biolabs in Ukraine and get downvoted. We have some really odd people on this site.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Western supremacists have no depths to which they won't sink. Even getting them to watch a 30 second video is impossible.

[–] a_Ha@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ok, so 30 ( alleged ) / 336 "labs" (biological military activities) so aprox 10%. - - and USA is stupid enough to put those in a country that is constantly under threat from a Russian invasion ? Really ? Without the tiniest "/s" ?
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆, i am sure you are amongst the brightest. So of course, you don't believe this. Yet you have a strong incentive to publish it. What's more we are in a time of war. So, 1+1=2 right ?

Can we help you ? ~(we.cou1d.pretend.to.be1ieve)~

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love how after seeing everything that happened in the past two years people still believe that US makes decisions based on sound judgment. Really?

Meanwhile, this isn't some wild speculation. Nuland literally admits that these facilities exist on video. Perhaps you can explain to us why the Pentagon has secret biolabs in Ukraine and what completely benign things you think they're cooking there.

[–] a_Ha@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I get it, we can't help, goodbye.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the help

[–] a_Ha@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago

goodbye now.

[–] bluetoucan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, 1+1=2 right ? Can we help you ? (we.cou1d.pretend.to.be1ieve)

What on earth is this supposed to be

[–] a_Ha@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

who's is this puppet account ?

spoiler evidence :

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i feel pity and compassion for anyone relying on this tactic.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Stop abusing the report function and accusing people of being puppet accounts. This is your 2nd warning now, do not make me take more time away from coding to babysit you both.

[–] bluetoucan@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I'm not a puppet account, and that's not evidence. Thanks for confirming that you are an idiot