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[–] Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social 137 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 73 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Young women are alright, right wing support amongst <35 y.o. men is surprisingly high...

[–] Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Agreed. I'm a teacher and see it in my classrooms. I often feel that they're not taught how to have healthy community, so they become lil fascists...

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If they're like my nephew, the "manosphere" gives them easy answers as to why everything seems to suck.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 3 points 16 hours ago

Tell your nephew that Trump just said he’ll ban video games if he wins.

[–] Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup. And it's always women and brown folks.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't forget LGBTQ and furries. 🙄

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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's also the only answer. Society has really neglected boys for a long time now.

[–] Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social 26 points 1 day ago (34 children)

Yup. Patriarchy did them dirty. Society told them they had to be strong, stoic, and without emotion. And when that butted up against the realities of being a human we didn't have any community to lead them towards living a good and healthy life.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can fault the Right for a lot of things but they got there first on this one. They have a story for why things suck and they’re pounding the drum on it relentlessly. It doesn’t matter that this story is full of holes when the alternative is not compelling.

Yup. The propaganda machine moved quick when they realized this population could be manipulated into action outside of message boards.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have great hope that they'll be better than our generation, just as we were better than our parents. Fuck the 'fuck the kids' mentality.

[–] Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm a classroom teacher, and I find that you've gotta sometimes have both "fuck them kids" and "for the kids" in different measures. But overall, I feel like they're doing a lot of cool things.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (24 children)

Shouldn't be hard to convince anyone not to vote for her who doesn't hate minorities.

Just let him know that David Duke endorsed Jill Stein.

If that isn't a literal mic drop on her campaign idk what more can be done. Just make sure everyone knows before they approach a voting booth.

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[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 23 hours ago (19 children)

I heard a piece on Here And Now today about a group of single issue voters in Dearborn that is actively working to disrupt and damage the Harris campaign. They are trying to get dems to vote for Stein.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

Anything that helps legitimize trump (increase overall pop vote numbers, regardless of loss) or props up green party and stein with a stated intention to get trump elected, in fact "helps trump"

Considering a vote for Dr. Jill Stein? I'm open if you have some insight I'm missing, but in my experience the green party has some exciting ideas on the surface, as lip service, but the party doesn't put in meaningful work in interim government outside of a presidential election cycle every 4 years. So it's a meaningless party.

You may think, "I'm in a solid red or blue state where my vote can't influence at the national level", but I find it hard to support Green/Stein in any capacity with how blatantly Stein has, in my opinion, been knowingly running as a spoiler candidate. The Green party has a (now publicly stated) intention to have Harris lose Michigan specifically. Below is clip from a Stein rally in Dearborn, Michigan. A surrogate for Stein is about to introduce her and spells out their intentions very clearly during remarks,

"We are not in a position to win the White House, but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic... we could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan. And the polls show that most likely Harris cannot win the election without Michigan.”

I would ask anyone considering a vote for Stein, in any state, to consider that truth they speak openly - When they are admitting that they can't win, stating a goal to defeat the Harris campaign and acknowledging that Harris likely cannot win the election without Michigan, the undeniable net of that is that they are working to directly secure a second trump presidency, in my opinion.

As I see it, we just cannot have it both ways in a two party system. If the green party was a serious movement working against two party politics (and I would personally embrace and support this) they would become THE platform for ranked choice voting with a green party candidate in every meaningful on/off year election to make that issue ubiquitous with green. They speak endlessly about the flawed two party system (with a clear bias towards shitting in dems), but in the current two party system we actually have, you can't cast a protest vote without actually casting a vote for trump in this election - And that cannot be stated more clearly than this green party spokesperson states it at this event before Stein speaks.

Here is a link to direct feed of that green party rally in Dearborn Michigan if anyone wants to see first hand to consider. It's a longer video, but it starts at the point discussed and surrogate makes the above quoted statement within about the first minute speaking. https://youtu.be/WKSm2FQ8z60?t=5153

And trump acknowledges as much directly mentioning Stein and green party campaign by name recently,

"Cornel West — he’s one of my favorite candidates, Cornel West," Trump said. "And I like — I like her also. Jill Stein. I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from [Biden]. [West] takes 100%. Kennedy’s probably 50/50, but he’s a fake.”

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/trump-speech-jill-stein-cornel-west-rcna158627

I've heard individual positions I like from West, Stein and others in the past, but in my opinion if they aren't fighting to be the bridge to engage the flawed structure of elections in this country as third parties, these are just campaigns driven more by individual candidate ego than a motivation for systemic change.

Those are my thoughts.

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