this post was submitted on 05 Oct 2024
201 points (96.3% liked)

World News

38758 readers
2747 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] febra@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Sadly they're just a bunch of neolibs. Volt Germany is also turbo zionist.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You’re getting downvoted but exactly this.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Yeah I have no clue why I'm getting downvoted. They're literally a neoliberal party. I mean, they say so themselves. And the fact that they're ultra zionists isn't a secret either.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Germany is super zionist, full on flag waving genocide again. How Germany ended up on the wrong side of the same argument twice is incredible.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Oh it’s simple. They seem to be thinking the question is: Jews? And not: Genocide? From that perspective they’ve learned, they just learned a good lesson but not the most important lesson

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Sad to hear.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Voting for Europe‘s Volt party is like voting for the marketing department of your favorite company. They are not socialist by any means, and I don’t mean seize the means of productions style. I mean that they’re not even leftist, they are just pro-European because of the economy and profits for shareholders. Plus, the German branch is also Zionist. All in all not really an option.

If you want pro-European and something that counters the Nazi movements in Europe, Mera25 is a much better choice.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago (21 children)

They're left-liberal which yes isn't socialist by a long shot, OTOH it's well within the overton window, thus actually able to be an electoral success. It's also a position which is completely underserved because neolibs captured everything even close to centre.

Oh, for all the yanks out there: Left-liberal is when UBI (because no proper employment market without uncomplicated social net) and business politics for SMEs instead of multinationals and plenty of antitrust with plenty of teeth. Petite bourgeois with at least a form of class consciousness. And gay marriage of course.

Are you, by any chance, letting the perfect be the enemy of the not completely evil?

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 19 points 2 days ago

Very well said
Also, Volt is very pro taxing the rich and big business

load more comments (20 replies)
[–] Lemmchen@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Plus, the German branch is also Zionist.

Source?

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They really aren't. An internal Volt Deutschland memo leaked a couple of months back. Essentially, they were afraid for antisemitism.
The memo was pulled out of context, and a conveniently cropped translation made the rounds

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago

No I’m talking about Volt politicians going to pro-Israel rallies and Volt Germanys stance on the genocide.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Go ask Volt Germany if they think there’s a genocide happening. Go check their statements published on this conflict. I can tell you because I asked them a couple months and the answer was the same that every other mainstream German politician would give you. Volt politicians in Germany frequently show up on pro-Israel protests.

Oh and there’s also this here just as an example: https://www.instagram.com/p/C3GQ8arsQzE If you think that’s a one time thing go check their page. Check their statements. Check what they condemn, who they empathize with and who they don’t mention.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're not perfect, so we should allow the far-right to win to spite the non-perfection.

Glad Australia isn't part of NATO right now.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Because having another party emerging that acts and talks exactly like all other centrist established party will surely fix it.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How though? What policy do they think would sway a person voting far-right currently?

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

American here but, from what I understand of Pan-European politics generally, it's more of an attempt to unify everyone else and not necessarily to draw away far-right voters.

[–] Quik@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago

On a European level they interpret that as fixing the EU, e.g. giving the parliament meaningful power, creating a pan-European army etc.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

are they socialist? if they arent then good luck winning people back with a fundamental misunderstanding of whats wrong.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They were in favour of UBI here, apart from that no afaik. They are also in favour of establishing a lobbyist registry for more transperency in national politics, which I quite liked.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean, most people aren't socialists. In Europe there's usually a hard left option already, and it gets fairly few votes.

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not socialists? Where did you get this weird idea from?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

Should I pick a European hard-left party and post it's actual seat count, or is that irrelevant to the point you're trying to make?

load more comments (18 replies)
[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wikipedia says center/center-left. But I've met a Volt member, and they were very neo-liberal.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

"center" usually comes to mean "right" these days yeah

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

Pirate party >>>>>>

load more comments
view more: next ›