All encrypted chat apps are one strong-arm subpoena away from sharing their logs with law enforcement.
this post was submitted on 04 Oct 2024
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Why are they moving from telegram?
researchers found that in the wake of the arrest of Telegram founder Pavel Durov and charges against leaders of the so-called Terrorgram Collective, dozens of extremist groups have moved to the app SimpleX Chat in recent weeks over fears that Telegram’s privacy policies expose them to being arrested.”
Telegram has been supplying US government with data on its users
https://www.404media.co/telegram-confirms-it-gave-u-s-user-data-to-the-cops/
Farewell and fuck off
As a SimpleX user.
God damnit.
I don't really get either of these comments. No one should be using telegram for anything other than a discord clone, and of course the shady turds will gravitate to privacy-focused messaging apps. I mean presumably that's why the turds chose telegram initially, they just fucked up the due diligence and thought telegram was secure because they credulously believed the founder dude who folded under state pressure.
It would be nice if the first publicity it got wasn't for being the choice of Nazis. I don't like that if I mention to a coworker that I use it, there's going to be that question of "wait, is this guy secretly a white supremacist".
Nobody did any due diligence... They heard the marketing and that it.
Infrastructure will always be used by evil and good. If it exists. Just like a road. Normal people use them as well as murderers.
If a good encryption chat software exists it will be used. It's necessary for normal privacy and sensitive topics between people but those ones will also use it. Nothing to do about it.
Ywah, but it sucks when malicious actors use it enough to bring attention from authorities who will do eveeything they can to undermine everyone's privacy.
Also extra sad when you realize they didnt care or investigate those nazis before, but will now claim that they cant do their work because muh encryption.
Like everything else, if it's worth doing it's probably worth self hosting.
You are surprised that the darkweb chat client has Nazis on it?
That's a good point to it tho. It means Simplex is simple enough for anyone, even telegram pogromists to use. Advanced stuff became user-friendly, so average folks can with some adjustment come to it too.
"Darkweb"? I was under the impression that it means a messenger that is onion/i2p-only. Simplex, while having an easy Tor integration, is mostly used by clearnet.
I don't mean to imply anything, but this post was listed maybe one scroll away from the piracy community welcoming everyone to SimpleX. Unfortunate timing.
But certainly not coincidental
How does simplex compare to signal?
No identifiers, so your social graph stays private.
Also has an independent security audit.
To deliver messages, instead of user IDs used by all other platforms, SimpleX uses temporary anonymous pairwise identifiers of message queues, separate for each of your connections — there are no long term identifiers.
So then how do you pair with a connection? Do you send them (out of band like through email or something) some kind of key that they then accept? That sounds super annoying.
In person with a QR code
Or a link.
For me, the main distinction is selfhostability (although I have concerns about the majority keeping using the default servers, I could still ask a friend or family member to use mine).
Also I am a bit concerned about them pushing the "No identifiers" thing which seems misleading, since you're still identified, just per-conversation.
Amazing how we never get these headlines...
"PC gamers are fleeing windows to Linux because microshit is a creep"
Well most windows users aren't using it to organize neonazis or sell drugs (which is at least half of telegrams users) so maybe that's why
Neo-nazis, or any kind of fascists, have no space anywhere. They can fuck off to the next platform, but they can’t run forever