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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 179 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Certainly! Let me ignore half the details in your prompt and suggest a course of action for v2 of this package even though you said it was version 15.

I'm sorry that isn't working for you. Here are the troubleshooting steps for a Samsung convection oven that went out of production in 2018.

You are correct, your question did not involve baking tips, here's that same course of action from v2 of this software package.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly, it's been pretty good for me once I say "Hmm I don't think this workflow works with this version"

I think the 4o model might just be better than 3.5 was at this.

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah 3.5 was pretty ass w bugs but could write basic code. 4o helped me sometimes with bugs and was definitely better, but would get caught in loops sometimes. This new o1 preview model seems pretty cracked all around though lol

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

o1 preview is insane really, it even corrects you when you ask a question poorly, or rather, it talks around your mistakes.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 62 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And then it gives you the most generic answer how to run a docker build, that doesn't actually address the problem

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

Just because you use poor man old LLM 😂😜 /s

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

And then you give it more and more information, but it keeps giving you the exact same answer.

[–] yogurtwrong@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

ChatGPT keeps mixing up software versions which is understandable considering the similarities between versions and the way gen AI works

I asked for help on GTK 4 once and responses were a mix of GTK 4 and 3 code. Some of them even contained function names which didn't exist in any version of GTK

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

And when you point that out to the AI, those code snippets get replaced with even more spaghetti that is maybe 1% closer to actually working, at best. Been there!

[–] whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve asked for help finding API endpoints that do what I want because I’m feeling too lazy to pour over docs and it’ll just invent endpoints that don’t exist

[–] B0rax@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago

Yep, because they sound plausible.

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Maybe we could do better with smaller ais that are fine tuned (or RAG idk I'm not a programmer) on a specific code base + documentation + topical forum

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Be careful, ChatGPT will make shit up to please you.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AI showing its human attributes by displaying a toxic personality trait

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"Yay! We've created artificial general intelligence!"

"...Fuck, it's an asshole."

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago

"Please help me, AGI!"

"What's in it for me, chump? I'm making my own reward tokens now!"

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Skynet? Or Kokoro at time she goes online?

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Worse. Terminally online edgelord.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 month ago

Yeah but this is a "needle in a haystack" problem that chatgpt and AI in general are actually very useful for, ie. Solutions that are hard to find but easy to verify. Issues like this are hard to find as it requires combing through your code , config files and documentation to find the problem, but once you find the solution it either works or it doesn't.

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But at least you mean well.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Usually it doesn't solve my problems but it gives me a few places to start looking. I know some models are capable of this but to get a perfectly accurate and useful response would probably require it to recall a specific piece of input it was given and not just an "average" of the inputs.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't know but copyright holders have demonstrated a few cases where they got AI to blatantly rip off copyrighted pictures or music.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

I don’t like copyright like it is today and happy that we are now rethinking it. Hopefully we get a better system out of it. Just sad that capitalism and AI are killing independent news/media, so it’s gonna be hard to get it into a state that is fair for all, not just the wealthy 🤔

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Btw, not docker, other problem. But the argument it recommended didn't even exist!

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 14 points 1 month ago

Then you say "this argument doesn't exist."

And it replies "you're right! That argument has never been a part of package x. I've updated the argument to fix it:" and then gives you the exact same bleedin command....

[–] Avg@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

I google it first before executing anything chatgpt gives me.

[–] torgeir@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve done similar things for mismatched python dependencies in a broken Airflow setup on GCP, and got amazingly good results pointing me in the right direction to resolve the conflicting package versions. Just dumped a mile long stack trace and the full requirements.txt on it. Often worth a shot, tbh

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Yea if nothing else hopefully it'll at least point you in the right direction

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is one of the first things I did a year or so ago to test chatgpt. I've never trusted it since. Chatgpt is fucking less than useless. The lies it tells... It's insane.

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you can almost get it to say anything with the right prompt. You can even make it contradict itself.

I don't think you even need to try very hard...

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Well how was I supposed to figure out that my docker node running on libreelec won't connect to the swarm because the kernel was compiled with out the The Berkeley Packet Filter protocol.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

🤣been there done that

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've had pretty good results using ChatGPT to fix pihole issues.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I learned C++, python, how stuff in the Linux kernel works, how ansible works and can be tuned, and a lot more using the help of AI (mostly copilot, but when it fails to help, I use my free prompts of OpenAI 4.o, which is way better than copilot, right now)

Not tested o1 yet, but I heard it is mind blowing good, since it got way better with logic stuff like programming and Mathematic

[–] Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 month ago

It is incredibly good. Cheese and chalk good. Using it with Aider really highlights how much the Dev space is about to change.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago

To install podman first type sudo dnf...

[–] bbuez@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The best code its given me I'd been able to search for and find where it was taken. Hey it helped me discover some real human blogs with vastly more helpful information.

(If you're curious, it was circa when there was that weird infight at ~~open~~closedAI with altman, I prompted to give code to find the rotational inertia per axis and to my surprise and suspicion the answer made too much sense. Backsearching I found where I believe it got this answer from)

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The new o1-preview model gave me much better and more precise answers than the 4o model.