this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2023
28 points (91.2% liked)

Unpopular Opinion

6309 readers
75 users here now

Welcome to the Unpopular Opinion community!


How voting works:

Vote the opposite of the norm.


If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.



Guidelines:

Tag your post, if possible (not required)


  • If your post is a "General" unpopular opinion, start the subject with [GENERAL].
  • If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].


Rules:

1. NO POLITICS


Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.


2. Be civil.


Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Please also refrain from gatekeeping others' opinions.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...


Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.


5. No trolling.


This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.



Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

I watched Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny last weekend. Seeing it made me want to revisit the series – in particular the most controversial entry, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Maybe I’m just comparing it with DoD (which I found good but underwhelming), but I watched the whole thing and I honestly think that KotCS is a decent movie that doesn’t deserve the level of hate it receives.

That’s not to say it’s perfect, nor that it can go toe-to-toe with Raiders of the Lost Ark. Its flaws are obvious. The CGI is not great and never was. The fridge and ant scenes push my suspension of disbelief. Harrison Ford’s age is a sticking point, and Spielberg’s action sequences don’t feel as exciting as 80s’ Spielberg. The parts where Mutt is repeatedly hit in the balls and when he swings on vines are downright painful to watch. And the inclusion of aliens (sorry, inter-dimensional beings) was jarring at the time.

But there are some redeeming factors, particularly in retrospect.

I genuinely enjoy the dynamic between Indiana and Mutt. It’s a good comparison to Sr. and Jr.’s dynamic in Last Crusade. I also think this dynamic has improved with time, as now we have the benefit of hindsight knowing that no, Mutt would not be taking over as the series protagonist.

The sci-fi elements don’t feel as jarring now as they once did. Two things have helped this: 1) I’ve had fifteen years to sit with the movie and get used to it. 2) Without spoiling anything, DoD’s plot and mcguffin are mostly sci-fi with some borderline fantasy, which has helped make KotCS less of a black sheep.

Ford’s age doesn’t bother me as much as it once did. I think the constant in-film jokes about his age really didn’t help this one. However, now that I’ve had a lot of time to get used to it - and let’s be honest, knowing that he’s in his 80s in DoD makes KotCS seem less extreme by comparison – it just doesn’t stand out as much anymore. But this point is probably entirely cope so oh well. Actually, on second thought, it's kind of nice to see a story with a 50-something protagonist still doing protagonist things. It does push my suspension of disbelief seeing him do a lot of his action-y things, but I suppose it's technically possible if he's in good shape. And as a 27-year old who's been in my quarter life crisis for ten years, I find it life-affirming.

Finally, I like the story. The underlying story being told about the characters is actually pretty strong imo. I enjoy the arc of Indiana, Mutt, and Marion's relationships. And even though the main plot was panned at the time, in an age where every series is playing it safe and relying on nostalgia it’s refreshing to go back to a movie that pushed the boundaries enough to get it wrong. Again, DoD, while not bad, did not handle the characters all that well, and played a lot of things safe. It lacked incredible lows, but it lacked incredible highs too.

Despite its deep lows, KotCS does deliver classic-Indy highs, imho. And that’s why, in this era of so many blah, safe movies, I think the fourth installment of Indiana Jones deserves reconsideration.

(I am totally not George Lucas)

top 5 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] MeatAndSarcasmGuy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think Crystal Skull's main problem is regardless of the quality of the movie, the franchise already ended.

The Last Crusade wrapped up the series perfectly (in my opinion) and even the title implied it should be the end ("The Last Crusade" referring to the most recent attempt to obtain the Holy Great and also Indy's final adventure). I know nothing happens which technically prevents another movie; but it bookends the series well by bringing back Sallah and Nazis from Raiders and it even literally ends with him riding off into the sunset.

It was written in such a way because Lucas and Spielberg didn't have anything left to say with the franchise or character, and there was no fruit left on the vine (so to speak).

A lot of the issues people have with Crystal Skull come from it trying to do something new with the character and setting since the story was already completed in the previous installment.

All this to say I don't think it was a bad movie necessarily, just one which struggles to validate its own existence.

[–] DudePluto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Fair enough, Last Crusade was the original ending for the series. And you make a lot of other good points.

Personally, I like how KotCS brings back and resolves Indy's relationship with Marion. To me, that's a very important resolution. But, that could just be me and my eternal crush on Marion haha! So I can see how others would disagree

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It got way more hate than it deserved. I remember it more fondly than not. It’s better than many action/adventure movies of the same era.

[–] uglytruck@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember hearing that it was mostly going to use practical effects. I thought that it would be refreshing, paying homage to the original series... then I saw the film.

[–] NuMetalAlchemist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel the same about it as I did when Episode I came out. It's not the same as the old ones and never will be, but it has the same charm, and my inner child is thoroughly entertained. People get too caught up in the details. I watch a movie to be entertained, so if you gotta bend the rules a bit to make it happen, I am willing to handwave stuff away. Don't forget the face-melting box, the immortal knight, the false AND holy grail, and so on. The series has always had one foot in the fantasy genre.

And remember, you are not the target audience any more. It is, has been, and always will be kids.

load more comments
view more: next ›