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🔎 Search on Telegram is more powerful than in other messaging apps because it allows users to find public channels and bots. Unfortunately, this feature has been abused by people who violated our Terms of Service to sell illegal goods.
💪 Over the last few weeks, a dedicated team of moderators, leveraging AI, has made Telegram Search much safer. All the problematic content we identified in Search is no longer accessible. If you still manage to find something unsafe or illegal in Telegram Search, please report it to us via @SearchReport.
🚫 To further deter criminals from abusing Telegram Search, we have updated our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, ensuring they are consistent across the world. We’ve made it clear that the IP addresses and phone numbers of those who violate our rules can be disclosed to relevant authorities in response to valid legal requests.
☝️ These measures should discourage criminals. Telegram Search is meant for finding friends and discovering news, not for promoting illegal goods. We won't let bad actors jeopardize the integrity of our platform for almost a billion users.
👀 Was this written by AI, or was it a person trying to be as annoying with their emojis as possible?
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Honestly that isn't bad. They were knowingly protecting people who target children.
Privacy should be enforced on a technical level with zero knowledge
They can take down the child weirdos and human traffickers
Take down my rom emulation hosted ZIPs and we'll fucking riot
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So what's the replacement?
For private messaging? Signal was always better. The way I use Telegram, and the way Telegram should be used, is like another public social media. I use it for following channels that give news about things I'm interested in.
matrix is great but sadly not all my friends use it and i still use discord :(
All completely irrelevant to most people. Nobody they know is on those platforms.
There are only two alternatives to the Big Tech messengers that are anywhere near critical mass: Signal and the shady one we're talking about here.
Though I would love Matrix to go mainstream.
This is sadly the exact reason it will stay like this. People can't reach me because i don't use WhatsApp? Well bad luck. Use a better app or just don't. I can't reach them because they only use WA? What a bummer but so be it.
As long as people install WhatsCrapp because some distant aunt still uses it for the xmas-greetings, it will continue to be #1.
Doesn't it get lonely though?
I remember the times where we didn't have a tiny computer with us all day to be reachable. And if I'd be lonely because i don't give a rats ass about WA, fb and the likes, that'd be indeed lonely but not due to that
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Signal was always better
I love the premise of Signal, but there are too many red flags. Some of my issues are:
- Hostility against 3rd party clients
- US-based legal entity
- Too much tied with Google libs on android
- No official Fdroid support
- Open source claims are undermined by code blackouts from time to time.
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Element 2.0 or Signal is only worth ones, I think.
But to be honest - it's only IP and phone number. If you have concerns about possibility of such request about your persona, you always can buy Telegram's anonymous phone number / fake telephone number / use VPN to login.
Element I'm not that sure, it's so bloated that I'm surprised it works on mobile phones. Regarding matrix sure
They said element 2.0, which I'd assume means Element X using matrix 2.0. From my testing in the last few weeks, element X has been the fastest messaging app I've ever used. Probably still some bugs but does not feel bloated anymore at all.
Not bloated because it doesn't have almost any features. No spaces, no threads, joining channels doesn't work, wait until becomes as the predecessors. The performance improvement is negligible in my experience. It does simply depend on thr homeserver performance , not much on matrix version
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Just clarifying for the ones who don't know: Element is a Matrix client.
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Matrix?
Search on Matrix is slow though, at least through the official app. It is slightly fast on Cinny, however.
fast
I noticed performance of matrix depends strongly on the server. Matrix.org is dead slow, I started using tchncs.de and even old ( somehow legacy ) element android is blazing fast
So far, irc, jabber/ xmpp and matrix and plain old email with gpg :-)
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How about something e2ee? (Even Whatsapp is more privat than telegram)
regarding its UX, nothing close exists; when it comes to converting normies, so you have someone to actually talk to, then there are no alternatives. that's a pretty shitty state of affairs for something that shoulda been solved a long time ago.
lesson learned, I guess, don't put all your eggs in one basket and have multiple fallback solutions. I've begrudingly moved to Signal and I'm cursing it out at least once per day, can't believe the navel-gazing, self-righteous cluelessness behind it; but that's the best there is at the moment. it's beyond shitty that we're having trouble achieving what we had in like 2012 by way of XMPP and friends, let alone surpassing it.
What don't you like about Signal?
to me it looks and feels like shit, compared to Durov's spyware it's like a PoC from 2015 looking for funding. fine demo you got there, now bring us the real thing.
but, to practical things, I lose/sell/buy/switch devices frequently. with telegram, I can lose all my devices, log on from a fresh one and all my shit is there - a decade+ of convos with 100s of people with valuable info. no juggling around with the crappy electron desktop app that doesn't give me access to convos or the inane procedure to replace a lost device and restore chat history... the other day, I successfully retrieved a piece of info from a convo from a decade prior.
I realize there are people out there that need that sort of security, but I don't. I just want Telegram with an OTR plugin (OMEMO nowadays) that prevents any nascent mass surveilance and LLM ingestion and I'm golden. but that shit's explicitly against Telegram's ToS; the only logical conclusion is they're adamant about leaving all your shit unencrypted in the cloud for some specific reason.
I can't think of any such reason that's not malevolent.
I see it a lot when ppl complain about signal, but just can't understand why you would save 10+ years in old msgs. Almost all my signal conversations even GRP chats are set to 1 week auto delete. If something important Is said that I need to save, I copy/paste it into my note app where I can organize it. Its sounds so impractical to dig through 10+ years of data everytime you need something. Plus it would be awful to know there is a log of all the dumb things I said 10 years ago lol.
I agree with you about saving the things you need. Especially images and videos since they are not worth the storage size.
But a history of your conversations with people is pretty nice to have if you didn't think about saving some info or it only becomes relevant later on. And as long it's only kept on your own device, I'm fine with it. (But I guess, on the devices of people you speak to)
Plus if you only save text, even 10 years worth of data is not much at all. A few videos probably weighs more.
E: typo
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XMPP is still around although there's a constant campaign trying to claim it's gone.
because things moved forward in the last decade or so and it's not viable. the same way matrix and element and those ridiculous things aren't viable and never will be. can you use it today? absolutely. can you convert normies to it and make it an actual widely used comms platform? no. fucking. way.
this is coming from a guy running their own prosody instance and utilizing rocketchat on two separate client instances. yeah, I know how to set it up and deploy it; but the amount of absolutely credible complaints I get from normies forced to use it staggering.
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It's shocking how many people just outright ignore UX.
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For the illegal goods? Sir this is privacy not piracy.
You really gonna come in here with a "want privacy? Must be because you're a criminal."? Get the fuck out.
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The illegal goods on telegram aren’t piracy related.
Sure, it was just for the laughs.
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when free & democratic country jails your ass one time
Shout out to right wing nuts for rushing to Telegram early on - keeping me from ever using it.
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