All hail the UNIX and UNIX-like.
I just want Macs to get gaming support cause Native games ran really well on my MBA. Which was mindblowing, not having a fan and all.
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It's not something is recommend if you are a big gamer. Windows is still king there. Linux is making a ton of progress but if you want a gaming machine do windows.
That said Macs with the new silicon and unified memory absolutely crush in a ton of areas. I run an AI job that takes 45s-120s on my Mac air m1 and 5m in my Nvidia gfx card and 10m-12m on my Ryzen cpu.
What ai stuff are you running on apple silicon where you’re seeing that much improvement? I’ve always been windows/linux but just recently switched over to a m2 MacBook Pro because I’m doing a lot of travel this year.
Lugging around my 5900hx/rtx3070 just became too much of a pain in the ass with like 3 working hours of battery life. I was able to transfer most of my development/design workflow over (and the one I couldn’t works fine in W11 parallels) but I thought most of my AI stuff would just have to live on my desktop rig.
Wallets are shrinking, so it makes sense that people would spend their money on something that's more likely to hold value, or last past 5 years of daily use. I got my M1 MacBook Pro for the same reasons.
Also PC companies are getting greedy as fuck and charging Apple prices while not delivering an Apple experience.
Sent from my iPhone, which I bought because Samsung decided to double their prices between the S9 and the S23, all the while expecting me to put up with the train wreck that is the Android app ecosystem.
Not to mention, battery life is INCREDIBLY good on Apple silicon. That, and it generally runs far cooler and quieter than earlier x86 MBPs.
Microsoft's Windows 11 malware/spyware likely has something to do with it too.
Yeah, I was opposed to buying a Mac for ages because I could never justify $1000 on a Laptop, so I bought $600-800 laptops ever 3-4 years. But I’m at 3 years with my m1 MacBook Air and it works as well as the day I bought it, and still has 98% battery health. I don’t see myself buying another laptop for a looooooong time
Popped my Mac Cherry with an M2 earlier this year and I'm very happy with the purchase.
I switched just because of the difference the chipset makes. I've been running windows for gaming and Linux for personal shit forever - I'm not generally a fan of Apple and their walled garden business mod. But the MacBook pro with the m2 will run my dev environments and teams meetings from 8-5 all day on battery and still has a good 30-40% left at the end of the day. It's not even competitive right now unfortunately, since I work remote I like to float around and work from different places and not having to worry about charging is a game changer.
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Article says it was because of supply constraints for Apple in 2022 that are now lessened in 2023. It's also a lopsided comparison when Apple shipments are in the ~5 million range while the top PC brand shipments are 10+ million each. Regardless, I will say that PC hardware has been suffering from certain hardware companies keeping hardware prices way too high for too long, which would at least partially explain the supply glut (and thus the reduction in shipments as they have excess inventory).
Although I'm not a fan of Apple, I can see the value that is provided with the price tag, especially when PC brands aren't offering a similar premium experience but want to charge similarly high prices.
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I don't see Chromebooks mentioned anywhere in here. I'd be curious how they'd compare. I know a have no intention on ever buying anything but a Chromebook again. I don't need an expensive computer.
Would truly love to see it get Adobe Premiere support for the M1s. Still barely functions and I have an M1 max
Is Mac better with Steam and games now? Or is this just all the college students buying macs to type papers on in Starbucks?
Honestly? Mac laptops are really good right now. The move to ARM based processes has gone... stupidly well. Had you asked me in 2019 if I thought ARM was ready for the main line I would of laughed at you, as would most IT enthusiasts.
But Apple did it, and the battery life savings they've managed are killer. Meanwhile Windows laptops can barely get sleep right.
“can barely get sleep right.”
HOLY YES. I have a Mac for personal use but my work issued laptop is a PC. I’m used to just closing the screen on my Mac and it’s asleep. Battery will hold indefinitely. My work one NEVER goes to sleep correctly. If I don’t completely shut it down it will 100% be dead the next day. Obviously there’s a wide range of PC laptops and not all of them are like that, but it’s the little things like this that drive me insane about PC.
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I'm a Windows guy, but I just replaced my Surface Laptop with an M2 Air and love it. PC hardware is really stagnating right now. I still have my usual annoyances with macOS, but right now, I feel like they are worth living with for the performance and battery life.
I went from about 3 hours of battery time on a high end windows laptop doing my design workload to about 10 hours with the m2 pro. I still don’t know if I’ll stick with it long term, and I still much prefer to work at my windows desktop, but having a fast, battery sipping browsing/streaming laptop that can turn into my main workhorse when I’m out and about has been great. Plus the Unix environment means I’m not spinning up arch vms when I’m programming anymore.
I really hope windows can launch support for ARM and we can start seeing M1/2 competitors in the PC space.
I love my MacBook and would get an ARM chip in a heartbeatwhen it's time to upgrade my PC.
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I just bought a M2 MBP last week and have constantly been comparing it to my aging Intel MBP for work. The speed at login is so much better. And being able to actually run iOS apps natively is pretty neat.
I bought a 13" SurfaceBook 2 with the official Microsoft dock when it came out. I figured buying hardware from the company that makes the software would've given me the best experience.
After beginning to use the machine, I discovered that Microsoft's own dock can't even keep the machine powered under heavy load. The battery was discharging WHILE PLUGGED INTO THE WALL. I had to take breaks so that my computer wouldn't shut down and could recharge.
I had been on Macs for years but decided to give MS a chance because Windows Subsystem for Linux looked pretty awesome. Needless to say, I'm back on a Mac.
I have a 2019 MBP for work, and honestly, it doesn't sleep right, either. I'm kinda at the point where I think Intel has a significant problem.
Windows has become a lumbering trash heap, Intel doesn't seem to be much better on the hardware side of things. Together, Wintel has kind of become something of a shit storm.
Definitely a lumbering trash heap. I just got a laptop with Win 11 Pro on it and Jesus Christ on toast it’s a hot mess of just absolute crap. Definitely makes me appreciate macOS.
Oh, I don't appreciate MacOS. I kind of dispise it.
But Microsoft still has made Windows a grotesque beast.
That’s fair. Different strokes and all but at least we can all agree that Windows is hot garbage.
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Monthly reminder that computers can be used for something different than gaming.
Wanting to use it for gaming is totally valid though, in which case you should probably get a Windows machine
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What an annoying comment. Plenty of people use Macs for professional or personal reasons who don’t find gaming to be a deciding factor in their purchase decisions.
Like any creative ever. Gamers will disagree but I find Macs desktop UI much nicer than Windows. I worked in Hollywood editorial for a while and it's ALL Macs there until you get into really high end VFX stations.
The Wacom drivers are also MUCH better on Mac. It's hard to explain, but the stylus just doesn't feel as smooth on Windows. The response curve/time is just better, even with the same settings.
A bunch of small UX things like native column view in finder turn into annoyances on other systems.
Having a UNIX terminal is nice if you're a developer but aren't fond of any of the Linux desktop environments. WSL for windows it's getting better, but getting IDEs to play nicely with it was still touch and go last time I gave it a whirl.
I game on PC and deploy to Linux servers, but Mac is my daily driver for coding and video editing. It just gets out of my way and let's me be productive. I have to do way too much fiddling on Windows and PC for a desktop experience I still like less.
Also -- disregarding the OS, which I do think Apple should be forced to sell as a standalone -- the build quality is leaps and bounds above any other laptop I've had. I've been using a laptop with the M1 Apple Silicone, and it's legitimately the happiest I've ever been with a work computer.
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I mean it's not worse than they were, but if you are buying a laptop just to play games it's not really the platform for you.
I buy Macs to do work on, I think a lot of people continue to use them to do work on past college. Plenty of people also have consoles, so having a computer that can do both well isn't even a priority for all gamers none the less the ton of people who don't play AAA games.
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Would you blame them for wanting a good machine? I know Chromebooks are fine for papers and browsing but like budget windows computers, they’re built like shit.
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Hello, this non-gaming, non-student who works in the design field uses a Mac every day, as do many of my colleagues.
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Is Mac better with Steam and games now?
It could be soon. Apple just dropped their Game Porting Toolkit last month.
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Neither.
There's a reason Apple reports "Shipments" instead of "Sales".
In order to get the "honour" of selling apple crap, a retailer has to commit to a certain dollar value of inventory-on-hand.
If those units collect dust in that retailers back-room, Apple doesn't give a shit. And it's notoriously difficult to RMA unsold product to them.
Source: Previous Tech Sales Manager at Staples.
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