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[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 92 points 5 days ago (25 children)

With a tip of the keyboard to a certain someone who has blocked me and won't see this (a shame really):

Since many in this community have a habit of resorting to personal attacks when responding to posts recently, I’ll say this: I support and respect everyone’s right to vote for who they want to. Just as I support the ability of anyone to point out to someone the consequences of their actions. ;)

I’m just posting this article that’s already available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy—I didn’t write it, just sharing it for discussion.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 64 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What this? Oh just Jill Stein enjoying dinner with known traitor Mike Flynn and the guy who wants Democracy destroyed and Trump in office— Pootie.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna742696

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

Yep, she's the greenwashing candidate who comes out every four years to collect a paycheck and espouse Libertarianism. An absolute grifter.

[–] LifeGivesYouLemmys@lemmy.ml 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Lol I love it. It's almost a badge of honor to be blocked by that user. They seem to want to be aware of people countering their troll campaign so they can bait those people into saying something that will get them banned. So you really must have upset them to get blocked.

I did the math last night. On average they've posted or commented about every twenty minutes, assuming they sleep 8 hours a day, since they created their account a month ago. Posting at this rate, almost entirely in favor of third parties. Hmmm.. I wonder why. They don't give a shit about third parties; only about keeping Democrats from getting votes.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 18 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Oh, I saw the numbers! That was terrific that you pulled that together!

And yeah, their history shows that they’re either chronically and desperately online (sort of sad actually) or posting like they’re getting paid for it. I don’t envy the mods for having to deal with all the chaos that user causes, but the user is almost preternaturally good at threading the needle of the rules.

Luckily the election will be done in less than two months and then I have to guess we won’t seem them again for another four years ;)

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hey, you never need to apologize for sharing news unless it's fabricated - some people may downvote articles they disagree with but most of us just appreciate the folks that find stories to share.

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[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 37 points 5 days ago

Just as a bit of context:

  • Willy Wimmer is a German former Bundestag member, who is massivly into conspiracy theories and at this point far right
  • Michael Flynn was one of the contacts between Trump and the Russian government. He plead guilty to that
  • Cyril Svoboda was one of the guys who gave Voices of Europe an interview in which he supported Russias position on Ukraine. Voices of Europes interviews were paid and used as a way to finance the far right in Europe using Russian money. It is currently under EU sanctions. His former party has distanced themself from him, due to his ties to Russia.
  • Emir Kusturica is a Serbia film director, who makes propaganda films and has far right pro Russian positions. His wife is well his wife.

The rest are obviously all Russian politcal figures and well Jill Stein. The photo was also taken at a Russia Today celebration. Just saying.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'd also like to point out something I've heard way too much lately:

maybe democrats should run on some of the policies that are overwhelmingly popular instead so there’s no room on the left for someone to run.

I've heard probably a dozen variations of this statement by now.

The spoiler effect is the result of geometric distance between candidates, not the strength of policy positions. If anybody tells you that the democrats should just do X, unless X is switching the country over to approval/star/rcv, or some other system that is more representative, they don't know what they're talking about.

Here is an example using a randomly generated set of voters and candidates. The first election is just two candidates, the second election is identical, but with an extra 3rd candidate

Total voters: 765
The winner was favorable to 56% of voters
lachlan - 427
emma - 338

Total voters: 765
The winner was favorable to 44% of voters
emma - 338
lachlan - 312
omalley - 115

Any party, any candidate can fall victim to this, no matter how strong or inspirational they are. This is simply the result of everybody voting for the candidate closest to them.

A good electoral system will not have the results changed by an irrelevant candidate. But our current systems are vulnerable to this, and it is disastrous for the state of our country.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 78 points 5 days ago (42 children)

Democrats should combat this by advocating for ranked choice or approval choice voting which is a fairer voting system and won't allow for "spoilers"

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago (17 children)

Yeah, election reform should be the first priority …once this election is done. And age limits for federal offices and judicial appointments. And federal standards for how federal elections are held. And roughly dozens of other things :)

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They should.

They won’t because they benefit from the system too.

But they should.

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