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Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has endorsed President Joe Biden’s reelection campaign, a sign of the president’s strength in uniting his party to have the backing of one of its most liberal members

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People don't understand the importance of this endorsement. AOC is considered as the next generation. Most 16-24 yr olds agree heavily with her and would identify closer to the left.

If Democrats play it smart, they could hold a majority for 10-20yrs. We are seeing swing states lean more blue than red ( Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia). This is a huge problem for Republicans bc they always relied on these states to combat large democratic states.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The issue is that this might not matter much in the short run anyway. Democrats have been playing well at the national level, sure, but they don't seem to notice that Republicans have figured out that state sovereignty means they can just have fascist fiefdoms rather than coast-to-coast national-level fascism. I don't see Biden or Harris putting their foot down on a state if shit gets real bad - hell, Florida literally passed a law allowing CPS to take kids from out-of-state parents and nobody at the national level so much as said boo about it.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago

Believe me, I understand Republicans have gerrymandered a lot of states but those states are fighting back. Look at Minnesota, they have a democratic majority for the first time in years. They have been pushing progress programs left and right that benefit everyone.

My point is that Democrats should stand united behind Biden. This will show everyone that they have two goals, combating corruption and pushing for legislation to better others' lives. If they attack a red state then Republicans will use that for years. It will feed into the "they're coming for your guns" crowd.

Democrats need to continue pushing progressive reforms and nominate a good candidate in 2028. Win more senators' seats and flip the house back. Then go after corrupt judges.

[–] el_cordoba@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Ranked voting needs to happen otherwise it will always be democrats vs republicans most of the time.

[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think we'd need a parliamentary system to end up with anything more than 2 parties being relevant. The 2 party system is sort of hard-wired into the way the house and Senate work. Ranked choice could have some cool effects on party primaries, though.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Also, the two party system can be broken quite easily if any state switches to proportional representation. If a third party wins even a small number of congressional seats, it could make them the kingmaker in a divided house.

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Biden wasn't my first choice in 2020 and I really wish he was younger, but he has done extremely well as President so far. If he wins again and stays healthy, I have almost no concerns he will continue to get things done.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (28 children)

She understands that we are under attack by a global RW fascist insurgency. Keeping the GOP out of the WH will save democracy in the US and around the world. Any GOP winner would stand back and allow the russian terrorists to take Ukraine and beyond.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] onionbaggage@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (33 children)

Old man who vaguely agrees with my politics and is just mildly disappointing or a literal shit filled dumpster fire? Hmmm tough choice.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

wtf is happening. This is a - rep for AOC in my eyes. She realizes the fucker is real old right? Elect someone younger please.

[–] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its not like she has a realistic alternative. What do you want, a split democrat ticket going up against the republicans ?

[–] whofearsthenight@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm an ideological purist and I'm voting for Jill Stein! This won't backfire in any way!

AOC is being smart/practical. Is Biden anyone's first choice on the left? Fuck no. We can have some more ideological purity when the choice isn't between milquetoast and literal fucking fascists.

Biden wasn't even my third choice in the '20 primary. That said, he's one of the most legislatively accomplished presidents in modern history. Still zero chance I'm going to be excited about voting for him in '24, but who has a shot at beating Trump right now? is maybe the guy that already did?

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[–] catharticrespite@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Absolutely not, but I wouldn't mind a primary

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[–] Reptorian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It might be a minus. in your eyes, but look at the other candidates we have for the Democratic Party. None of them are anywhere near as appealing as Biden. I'm saying that as some one who voted for Bernie in the primary before, and would flock to vote for AOC. And no, Marianne Williamson is not who I want for president given some of her questionable history though I would happily vote for her at a local level if the other person is a conservative or even a moderate.

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[–] figaro@lemdro.id 6 points 1 year ago (67 children)

Like I get that is what we probably are getting, and fine, he is better than whatever the republicans are putting forward, so I'll vote for him.

But

Come on

I wish, so much, we had a better candidate

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You need a better voting system.

Any single-winner system is inherently flawed, which is why presidential systems are just straight-up worse than parliamentary ones. They're by their nature going to be less representative. A system where the president is largely a figurehead is far better, along with a legislature which is elected proportionally using something like Mixed-Member Proportional, Single Transferable Vote, or party-list PR.

But failing that, the bare minimum to call your system democratic is to use Instant Runoff Voting. First Past the Post is just straight-up not democracy. It's a farce. The idea that two candidates with similar views both being very successful actually makes it less likely that either will win is an obvious complete failure of the system. (And, fwiw, you could have IRV presidential elections for a powerful POTUS while also improving congress by making it proportional, if you want to go a step further than just making Congress & President both using IRV, but not as far as the fundamental constitutional change required to make the president a figurehead.)

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[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How is the best case scenario Joe Biden? ♫

They really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden ♫

[–] basequal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The fact that the majority here is okay to settle with a mildly dissapointing 80 year old, just so the other "evil" side doesn't win is a bit disheartening for the state of US politics and democracy.

And this is comming from a politically shithole country I am born and living in.

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Trump has all of Bidens issues AND he's a fascist idiot. Trying to say he's in any way better than Biden just shows either how uninformed you are in American politics, or you think people like Trump are attractive candidates. If it's the latter you may want to take a look at the type of people who, in your own words, are making your country a "political shithole".

[–] whofearsthenight@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you! The "evil" in quotes is what did it for me. We don't need the quotes. Trump and their side right now has no redeeming qualities and shouldn't be in charge of an airport Starbucks. This isn't a choice between slight differences in policy, this is "do you want to vote for nazis, or no?" Oh, I know about Godwin's law, how boutcha google that and see how he feels about it.

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[–] wwaxwork@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

She wouldn't win, at least not yet, we've got to drift more to the left as a country to have an election she'd become President in. And if not Biden who? Who should run for President that has a chance of actually winning the election? It's easy to piss on them selecting Biden, but no one else is a viable option. You want more younger options to vote for, run for office yourself, get your friends to run for office, can't vote for young left leaning politicians if they don't freaking run and win elections.

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[–] Licensed_to_ill@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Man, screw Biden. I would rather vote for AOC

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