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Democrats Abandoned Their Anti-Death Penalty Stance. Those on Federal Death Row May Pay the Price. (theintercept.com)

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

That's a weird claim, when the Central Park Five were speakes at the DNC, probably the most well known symbol against death penalty.
And the democrats have both a presidential candidate and VP candidate that are clearly against the death penalty.

Download the party program pdf:
Link to page:
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

Direct link to download:
https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf

Page 38 of the party program:
>And Democrats continue to support abolishing the death penalty.

Article is bullshit because the claim in the headline:

Democrats Abandoned Their Anti-Death Penalty Stance.

Is easily refuted by the facts of the policies of their candidates.

And the claim below the headline:

remove death penalty opposition from their party platform.

Is evidently false. It's right there on page 38 of their official program!!!

[–] villainy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here's a link to the 2024 platform. It does not include the quoted line from the 2020 platform document, or any other reference to "death penalty".

https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/FINAL-MASTER-PLATFORM.pdf

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Imagine how wonderful it would be, if journalists linked sources that are essential to their story.
That said, this is not their official program, it's based heavily on Biden policies, not Kamala Harris.
I imagine with Harris as their new candidate, democrats will make a new program. As it is, this program is basically meaningless. Both Harris and Walz strongly oppose death penalty.
So I maintain the story is grossly misleading. As is evident by the invitation of one of the Exonerated Five to the DNC.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I was unable to find any mention of it in the 2024 platform. But then they didn't even have time to change the names in it. So I'm not sure what, if anything, it actually signifies.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

They step right, we meet them in the new middle.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

How's that ratchet go again?

[–] Jagothaciv@kbin.earth 5 points 2 months ago

I think the Intercept is junk. Jeremy left to make another org btw so yea this is propaganda for whomever paid the bill.

[+] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world -6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They keep bragging about many Republicans they had on stage. Great, I guess the Democrats are just the Republicans from 10-20 years ago if those speakers find the current Democratic party palatable. I'm sure that will rally people to vote blue like they did in 2008. Was it caving on immigration, peace, and crime what made Obama so popular?

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

This is why I think it's not impossible that we'll have a party swap where these right wing politicians all become the new democratic party and the progressives fuck off to form a new left wing.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're not even Republicans from 10-20 years ago. They're Republicans from five years ago.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes because Republicans from five years ago would definitely have all the largest union leaders and several socialists speaking at their convention.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If they were speaking at the DNC, they were not socialists. They had more Republicans and cops speaking at that convention than marginalized communities.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

If they were speaking at the DNC, they were not socialists.

So Bernie and AOC aren't socialists now?

They had more Republicans and cops speaking at that convention than marginalized communities.

Uh? No they didn't? Did you even watch the convention? They had a few Republicans and cops who spoke for less than ten minutes each. Meanwhile they had dozens of women of color, and women's rights were one of the main themes of the entire convention.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Why would they watch the conversation when you can just make up what you feel probably happened based on emotion?

Lemmy has a real feelings = facts problem and it's sad.

[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bernie and AOC have never been socialists.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Lol, he literally argues for the means of production being owned by workers.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, he does argue for worker co-ops, yes.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, he also supports forcefully cooperativizing companies over time. He wanted to create a program to gradually have a federally backed buyout of the largest 1000 U.S companies, with mandatory partial worker ownership of any company over a certain number of employees, and mandatory votes for the corporate boards for workers.

Here was the plan from the campaign.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like a great idea.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It also sounds like socialism.

I mean I agree it's a good idea of course. I just wanted to make the point that Bernie and AOC are, in fact, socialists. Way too many people from all sides of the political spectrum think "Oh he just wants to be like Denmark he's not really socialist" or "Bernie would be right wing in Europe" just because the media didn't really ever cover his cooperativization plan or talk of workplace democracy.

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