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[–] cmder@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It is not anymore patriarchy but the ultra rich against the common people.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Well, both

Edit: Class disparity and patriarchy are not mutually exclusive. How is this a hot take?

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No, see, if they get to shift the focus away from the patriarchy (or other systems of oppression they just happen to benefit from, be it Christian white supremacy, cis heteronormativity, abled supremacy), they don't have to consider and possibly unlearn their own views and behaviours..

When someone insists on "no war but the class war" they often mean "no war impacts me other than the class war, so that's the only war I'm interested in fighting".

[–] dil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure that applies to a good chunk of the population, but I think there's more to "no war but class war" than just dodging personal responsibility.

The owning class needs to convince people to vote against their best interests, and the primary tactic they use is to divide the working class.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Would winning the class war fix everything else? Hell nah - the rich aren't just making these divisions up. But they are going to do their best to stoke the flames, because they need the distraction. We need to fight patriarchy no matter what. But the class war is making those fights harder.

All that said, trying to downplay legitimate concerns about oppressed populations by saying "no war but the class war" is very "all lives matter".

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago
[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago
[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Always has been, it was just easier to disguise what they were feeding the masses when there was no internet

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Surely at least back when women couldn't vote and were expected to always obey their father/husband, there was patriarchy. Also ultra rich vs the rest, but also patriarchy.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah and I feel it was pushed by the ultra rich. The ultra rich were pretty much all men and controlled everything including the papers that most read back then. Ultra rich see any progress as an attack on their wealth

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It has been to different extents at different times.

Right now we are at a 70-year peak. In the US, anyway.

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What matters more than the genitals in your pants is the amount of money you have. If you have money you can buy politicians, judges, housing, food, weapons, armies, and the list goes on. If you have a dick and no money, you're nothing but a homeless person with no power at all.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

This is the only dividing line that matters, everything else is secondary.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

Patriarchy hurts men too. It's what labels a poor man as a loser who isn't able to provide for himself, rather than a vulnerable human being who needs help.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If that's true, that's great! You can just make some money and you'll get power. The only alternative is that you have some qualities that make you permanently not have power.

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I prefer to use kyriarchy ti describe/conceptualize modern western culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyriarchy

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

This is interesting. As a life-long feminist, a male, and a vulnerable person, it has always occurred to me that there is a generalization of the ideas of feminism that apply to all vulnerable people subject to the self-interested authority of others.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Damn, never heard this but it's going directly into my vocabulary.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 months ago

Holy shit, Wikipedia has an article on allonormativity. 🤯

[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I have covid brain right now, I am saving this for when I can comprehend things again.

[–] amanda@aggregatet.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Kyriarchy encompasses sexism, racism, ableism, ageism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, transphobia, fatphobia, classism, xenophobia, economic injustice, the prison-industrial complex, colonialism, militarism, ethnocentrism, speciesism, linguicism and other forms of dominating hierarchies

Anti-Catholicism? You mean the global formal hierarchy that’s solidly historically in support of fascism and against feminism? O…Kay. Why is that the literally only religion listed there? I get why you’d want to protect minority religious practices but why single out Catholicism?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why is that the literally only religion listed there?

Actually, it's directly following Judaism and Islam, but lets not quibble.

[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

It IS almost fall through! I'm so excited and I don't know why!

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 3 points 2 months ago

Hm seems like we're at the point where I should stop bothering with All's comment sections and just stick to my subscriptions like on Reddit

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A few decades too late for that particular cause.

The most constructive cause right now is The World vs The 1%.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Take down capitalism but not the patriarchy, and all you're left with is a non-capitalist patriarchy. Which would suit some just fine, sure, but one thing it isn't is constructive.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What patriarchy? There's is no patriarchy. All we have left from that era are the ultra rich.

[–] StopJoiningWars@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago

Boogeyman be like.