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[–] cmder@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It is not anymore patriarchy but the ultra rich against the common people.

[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Well, both

Edit: Class disparity and patriarchy are not mutually exclusive. How is this a hot take?

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No, see, if they get to shift the focus away from the patriarchy (or other systems of oppression they just happen to benefit from, be it Christian white supremacy, cis heteronormativity, abled supremacy), they don't have to consider and possibly unlearn their own views and behaviours..

When someone insists on "no war but the class war" they often mean "no war impacts me other than the class war, so that's the only war I'm interested in fighting".

[–] dil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure that applies to a good chunk of the population, but I think there's more to "no war but class war" than just dodging personal responsibility.

The owning class needs to convince people to vote against their best interests, and the primary tactic they use is to divide the working class.

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Would winning the class war fix everything else? Hell nah - the rich aren't just making these divisions up. But they are going to do their best to stoke the flames, because they need the distraction. We need to fight patriarchy no matter what. But the class war is making those fights harder.

All that said, trying to downplay legitimate concerns about oppressed populations by saying "no war but the class war" is very "all lives matter".

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago
[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago
[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Always has been, it was just easier to disguise what they were feeding the masses when there was no internet

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Surely at least back when women couldn't vote and were expected to always obey their father/husband, there was patriarchy. Also ultra rich vs the rest, but also patriarchy.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah and I feel it was pushed by the ultra rich. The ultra rich were pretty much all men and controlled everything including the papers that most read back then. Ultra rich see any progress as an attack on their wealth

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It has been to different extents at different times.

Right now we are at a 70-year peak. In the US, anyway.