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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 143 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

I'm actually pretty dang hopeful right now. The right has spent so much time and effort focused around Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.

Now we have a new candidate starting from zero with many people, vs trump which is obviously very well known. In short I'm trying to say we have the element of surprise, the benefit of the unknown. They have to convince moderates that this new candidate is still somehow worse than trump, and these aren't the hard right people, these are the undecided (somehow) and centered voters.

Far right voters will always back trump, but the indecisive voters and moderate Republicans who don't like trump but fell for the years of propaganda against Biden have been wanting anyone who is better than Biden but not trump. Same with more centered Democrats, not that they wanted to vote for trump but Biden was not a great candidate for them either.

The rights whole plan was "Joe is so much worse than trump!" and they had 16 years of content to pull on. They can't do that again with a new candidate. People say they handed the election to Republicans. I think it's the opposite. I think Republicans demanding Joe drop out when anti Joe was their only message may have just accidentally handed the election to Democrats.

If the Dems come out strong on this I think it could shake up the whole election. I see people online saying doom and gloom, I strongly disagree, I think this is a huge rallying cry.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 89 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.

Nope. Now it's trump who's old and tired. Kamala needs to go after trump and his crime family like she would other criminals and prosecute them in the press. She is a former prosecutor, after all.

[–] dragonfly4933@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I was very against Biden dropping out, but i think this is a pretty good point. I think it is still very risky for her to run due to race and sex discrimination, but it might not be a predetermined loss at least.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 33 points 4 months ago

I think that's the invigorating thing as a Democrat. I was feeling beat down and tired, we knew what the outcome was more or less, a razer thin margin on either side. This completely changes that equation, and it means both sides will have to really amp up their game. Democrats just proved they're willing to throw the hail Mary and that makes me really excited!

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Honestly yes, not that the hard right will see that, but yes she has the huge opportunity to say something like "it's time we put power in the hands of people who will see the effects of it" so to speak. If she used rhetoric similar to that it could be impactful for getting young people to actually vote like they did for Obama

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden has an opportunity to make speech saying something like, "I've decided I am too old for the job, as anybody over 70 should be. It is time for the oldest generation to step aside for their children and grandchildren. It is they who know what the world needs, because they are the ones who will live in that world. The younger generations should no longer elect anyone who is out of touch with their needs."

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's what he should do, now let's get back to reality, that's never going to happen. That would require the geriatric fucks who put us into this godforsaken mess in the first place to admit that they just might have been, wrong and to give up their power to someone new. They'd rather die and leave the country in turmoil than do what's right. And it's across all three branches of government, it's not anything exclusive to the Congress critters. Just look at how we got our current Republican controlled SCOTUS. These fuckers aren't going to leave on their own, they need to be forced out.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

… Now it's trump who's old and tired …

So it’s his turn to drop out of the race?

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[–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I agree completely. I think the strong move for Harris will be to focus her campaign around abortion rights and promise to fight for federal laws guaranteeing the right to an abortion, even to the point of openly defying the Supreme Court if they reject the law. She also needs to focus on court reform, push for a strict code of conduct to be enforced against the supreme court, and either impeach/replace Alito and Thomas or (if there aren't enough votes for that) eliminate the fillibuster to pack the courts with only a simple Senate majority.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I am hesitant about is right now the best time for a black woman president, are the people ready for it, but the way you framed it put it well. A strong eloquent black woman who is ready to put women's rights at the forefront where her opponent is actively trying to take away those rights may work extremely well.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Now is the time for anyone that's not going to directly try and undermine our Representative Democracy and work to replace it with an Authoritarian Dictatorship. Trump has literally said he wants to be a dictator on day one, and we know the Republican Project 2025 plan. I don't give a shit if that means we're voting for a random dude in an Easter Bunny outfit, I'll suck it up and vote for a furry if it means we don't go down that path.

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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 107 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure, but I think it makes it very unlikely he'll become president.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago

Only time will tell.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 65 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm a LAW AND ORDER REPUBLICAN and I'm going to vote for the CONVICTED FELON over the COP!

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

Holy shit I match this caricature, and it changed my mind!

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

phony trial by the crooked liberals was a political hit job

It's really easy for them to dismiss that. Once you've dismissed objective truth and logic, nothing stands in your way.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Seems good, man. Basically that makes the election:

Decision 2024: Cop vs Felon

Who will America choose?

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't think DNC leadership appreciates the current public sentiment against law enforcement in the country. Based on her career, her would be base are the moutb breezers simping for trump

For any self respecting liberal, you just have to ignore her job. There is no good way to spin it besides, she knows how to run a shop of prosecutors lol never, just don't fucking mention it.

Bizarro fucking time line tho jfc

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know we sometimes feel like the majority here on the fediverse, but we have to remember that most democrats don’t feel the same way about cops that the “far” left does. Most democrats are just capitalist liberals that enjoy the status quo and maybe some slightly progressive policies.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 7 points 4 months ago

Ehh good point... Although I think it is also generational. Boomer Democrats still pretend like they didn't know what redlining was while living in redlined communities lol

So yeah that guy will vote

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I predict it brings the chance of a second Biden term to zero

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[–] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 28 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I have a quick question as someone not from the US. What is the general opinion that people have of Kamala Harris? Do people voting Democrat have an overall positive impression of her? Or are there people who could be disappointed with the choice?

[–] Azal@pawb.social 30 points 4 months ago

From the US and I pay a lot of attention to politics.

Her past is she was a bulldog in the courtroom, absolutely a firebrand and ready to take on anyone. By making her VP, her job was mostly to not make the administration look bad, which is a tough job for a firebrand so for years it felt like she was put in the back and kept quiet.

Roe v Wade decision happened, making the abortion argument on the side of the Republicans getting what they wanted, Biden is a Catholic and male so completely uncomfortable using the fact that abortion is the winning ticket item for the Dems so Harris has been beating that drum hard and getting out. GRANTED the media has been focusing on "Biden too old!" (Legit had to learn a Biden policy from BBC because American news isn't going to talk about that) so she's still feeling a relative unknown to the country at large.

There are people calling for wanting the DNC to do a vote, but we're past that marker, there's people disappointed, and then there's a lot of people excited. Right now this election is going to shape up to be more "interesting" than Bush v Gore or Trump v Hillary.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have heard literally 0 news about her for this entire presidency. She's probably fine. Definitely better than Trump, so, ya know. Voting time

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[–] residentmarchant@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

She's generally average from what I've heard amongst my friends. Not a slam dunk but not stumbling over herself. I think she'll really have to prove herself and release a strong platform to sway any voters. The good news is that a decent number of people are going to vote for her just because she's not Trump.

I suspect the real problem for some Americans will be a woman as president...which is just about how screwed America is right now.

Pretty notably she doesn't have any big skeletons in her closet (that I know of at least) that Republicans can latch on to and create drama over.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

but - from what I've heard while there is a vocal minority of women who are happy about roe being overturned, the vast vast majority of women are not happy about it. For a lot of women born after Roe, for example, it was a given that they had the right to get an abortion, and people took it away from them. I was worried about a woman being nominated - but honestly it might be the perfect time to nominate a woman.

On one side you have a bunch of old white men literally taking away women's rights. On the other side you have an actual strong woman who wants to codify those rights into law.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Every election with abortion rights on the ballot has gone to democrats since the roe repeal if I'm not mistaken

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 4 months ago

I actually did not know that. I think them finishing off Roe was one of the worst things from a strategy standpoint the GOP could have done. They could have done nothing and had people voting for them for that for years. By doing something all they did was lose one of their best campaign talking points and piss off a lot of people who wanted Roe. I hope it continues to backfire on them.

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[–] knightly@pawb.social 18 points 4 months ago

Politically? The general public sees Kamala Harris as a nothingburger. She's practically a blank slate despite spending the last four years as VP. Nobody's going to be disappointed because the average person only knows her as a background character.

It's the best option the Dems have got, but we'll see how much they want to win when they announce the VP candidate nomination.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 months ago

I’d say largely neutral. Progressives don’t love her because she was a prosecutor. She has a bit of a reputation for opportunism and lacks charisma but pretty standard democrat overall.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm in Trump country so I am relaying their opinions not my own. "Whore who slept her way to the top", "lier that is letting the border crisis happen", " hypocritic that ruined young peoples lives over pot even though she smoked it too".

Otherwise nothing burger, and besides the border debate all of the personal attacks are honestly minor compared to how Trump supporter view Trump out here (you know "he's not a good man but ...").

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[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Left left looks at her time as Attornry General of California and sees her as corrupt and responsible for high incarceration rates among other general issues with the overall Democratic party platform.

libLeft sees her as solid dem if not their new prophet, though not like the right worships trump.

Center will probably see her similar to a batman police commisioner. Generally assumed good and unencumbered politically.

Right will only see gender and skin color, and not in a good way.

Vanilla to anyone not fitting neatly in those categories.

Her not being seen for the last few years is good for dems as there's nothing for the Republicans to latch onto beyond racism and mysogyny. They don't have the long developed hatred that they have for Hillary.

Realistically it's the least divisive choice the dems could make.

[–] viralJ@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if Biden's stepping down was partly influenced by the assassination attempt. If he hadn't, the most prominent symbol of this election would still be that image of Trump screaming "fight" while pumping his fist against the background of the American flag. But if someone from a deserted island opened a news website today for the first time, they wouldn't even know there was an assassination attempt.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

That's an interesting. I would put my money on him catching covid being the deciding factor.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

All there is left to do is to fucken send it. Talk to every democrat you know and make sure they know when and how they will vote on voting day and commit to it. Hit up all your younger friends (who might forgor 💀) get that young vote out there cause the older of us most likely know what we are doing already.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No one will be able to tell you. But it SHOULD change nothing regarding to what to vote for. You either vote against Trump / fascism / climate collapse, or you support those things either by vote or inaction.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 7 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Yes, yes. Thank you.

We know the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" crowd was always going to vote for the blue candidate. That's a given, and beating the dead horse is just preaching to the choir.

What's important is that now the Dems have a chance, and the DNC has a precious few days with which to change the future.

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[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It was the right move.

Now the DNC just has to nominate someone who can put up a strong front.

They might fuck that up.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden already endorsed Kamala Harris. That's who's going to be on the ticket. That's who was always going to be on the ticket if it wasn't Biden. Expecting anything else was delusional.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Exactly. If they found a solid competitor, I would bet anything it would be a white guy, and a lot of people, especially women and people of color are going to notice how the LITERAL CURRENT NEXT IN LINE FOR THE POSITION, wasn't considered for the job.

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[–] HarbingerOfTomb@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

As Trump has proven, people will vote for an unqualified person so you really just need a warm body.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A ton of states are going to fight to keep Kamala Harris off the ballot.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How? Biden wasn't the official candidate yet.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A lot of states have laws that don't conform to the national primary process. For instance, Ohio has a law on the books that says the official nomination has to occur by a certain date which is before the second major party convention.

It is important to know that elections are technically run at the state level with some federal oversight.

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure that him giving up is the best chance he has at success.

Ironic right?

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Nobody really knows. The situation is somewhat unprecedented.

If you’re asking for personal opinions: this was absolutely a catch-22. But I do think that it’s probably a good move in the pragmatic context of “find a way to beat the fascists”. I also think it’s hilighting some glaring flaws in our primary system that I hope will be fixed, but I don’t honestly expect to be.

[–] breckenedge@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Gotta imagine there are a few more surprises in store for the convention.

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