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User accounts are fragmented and just because you signed on at lemmy.world doesn't mean your account exists on lemmy.ca.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1985

Communities are fragmented and /c/games on lemmy.world is completely different than the one on lemmy.ml with its own users, set of posts, etc.

Lemmy does not currently allow for instance or user migration.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3057

Nor does it allow for shared communities (ie the aforementioned /c/games is unified across multiple instances)

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3100

We are in the early days. If you're eager feel free to join in the development on these any many other core issues. There's real potential here.

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[–] JorMaFur@lemm.ee 160 points 1 year ago (4 children)

BUT you can still upvote or comment on posts from different instances if you access them from within the instance your account is from!

So you don't need to create one account for each instance.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 126 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yea the post is misleading. The community is games@lemmy.world not /c/games. That's reddit language creeping in.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Yes, saying c/gaming is meaningless. I pointed this out to one user yesterday and got the most unbelievable snark back.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

It's just a jargon speed bump. It'll pass. Happens in any migration.

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[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a very important note, and I am afraid this post will confuse people. Yes, there are multiple c/games, but you can follow all of them from any of the accounts and comment, post and otherwise interact as long as your instances are federated.

[–] everythingsucks@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It definitely confused me. I’m used to reddit so the idea that I would have to have multiple accounts was a huge downside. Thanks for clearing it up… At least a littl.

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[–] neal@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly - as long as the instance isnt defederated, you should be able to post/comment/upvote/mod in communities that are outside of your home instance.

[–] UhBell@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Do posts outside of Lemmy.World not show up in my feed?

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They do. This post is a bit misleading. If anyone on your instance is subscribed to games@lemmy.world or games@lemmy.ml, which are two different communities, then those posts would show up on your instance.

For instance, of you're on lemmy.world, there are two communities:

https://lemmy.world/c/games and https://lemmy.world/c/games@lemmy.ml. Two different communities, synced across both instances. The reverse would be true of you were on lemmy.ml.

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[–] Archerofyail@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you're looking at subscribed or All they do, but the local feed is the default, and that only shows stuff on the local instance, in this case lemmy.world.

If you mean your profile, that will show all your activity on every instance.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 10 points 1 year ago

Think of them like "Lemmy World Games" and "Lemmy ML Games"

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[–] itadakimasu@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I swear upvote counts are isolated to individual instances too. I don't think they are supposed to be... But one post on Lemmy.world viewed from Lemmy.world shows hundreds of upvotes, but on another smaller instance it shows 5 upvotes.

I hope that's not the way Lemmy is intended to work.

It makes no sense at all

[–] andrew@radiation.party 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This can happen if federation breaks for a while, I think. For instance, if a lemmy instance goes down and can’t receive activity for a time, I don’t think there’s any mechanism to backfill that activity

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 54 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is badly written - to someone who doesn't know any of this it reads like they're missing out on something. Yes there's !games@lemmy.world and !games@lemmy.ml - but you don't need an account on either to participate in both! You can just go there and browse, comment, etc.

Eventually one will become dominant, and it will all be fine.

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[–] OtakuAltair@vlemmy.net 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Isn't that the whole point though? Not relying on a single entity by spreading out, but still being connected?

Fragmentation would be fixed by just integrating lemmyverse.net's functionality into lemmy itself (like in this github issue), allowing users to see the true user count/activity of comms and incentivise them to join the most popular one.

Needs to be done asap imo; comm discoverability is not good right now and is probably the single biggest hurdle for new users

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Anyone want to be the scrum master for them? Lol. Looks like they need a sprint planning session!

[–] TwoFace211@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But can I comment and reply in other instances? If that's true then I guess who cares?

[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, it doesn't matter much except when you wanna view several communities on the same topic. I'd like to be able to see all the 3dprinting communities at once.

[–] Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then just subscribe to all of them

We do need a "multi-community" feature where we can view a bunch of similar subs in the same feed, however

[–] credo@laguna.chat 7 points 1 year ago

I think the de facto community will take hold eventually for each subject, or we will simply have more than one. No big. Reddit had the same, each under different names. Here the name includes the instance.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I see multiple communities on the same subject, I just subscribe to all of them. Either they'll eventually differentiate into their own unique spaces, or one of them will become the dominant one and the others will become fringe alternates. It's a good thing.

[–] Kiwy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Like all the subreddits that have their “true” or “2” variant

[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago

What you have identified is a feature, not a bug. It immunizes us against mods getting swollen egos and going on a powertrip.

[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

IMO thats the beauty of a federated network

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[–] gunslingerfry@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok so I'm looking at a post to You Should Know. When I look at the community info it says "You Should Know." The only way I know it's on lemmy.world is because it says you need to adhere to lemmy.world policies. I see nothing in the app (Jerboa) that indicates which instance it's on. What am I missing? If I am subscribed to a bunch of communities called "Games" how do I know which post comes from which community?

[–] Kftrendy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this an app-specific issue? I’m using wefwef on iOS and it shows “youshouldknow@lemmy.world” as the community. It doesn’t show it for the user, though, which is another worthwhile piece of information.

[–] fantasia@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm on Jerboa and it does indicate as you quoted. I don't know why the guy said that way. Maybe lemmy.world is his home instance.

[–] Kftrendy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I think that’s it! I just checked and local communities don’t show the instance on my end either.

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy does not currently allow for instance or user migration.

This should probably be high up on the list of additions. I like the idea of Lemmy but for things like getting support no one is going to use Lemmy if the entire community and all the posts can just disappear one day and all the history go poof.

[–] OtakuAltair@vlemmy.net 8 points 1 year ago

Instance migration, lemmyverse.net functionality in lemmy, and assigning new users to a good random instance upon registration (and letting them change it of course) so they don't need to know about instances, are the three most important features lemmy needs rn imo

[–] Silviecat44@vlemmy.net 8 points 1 year ago
[–] malloc@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We need a more unified login experience. OIDC/Oauth would work wonders for this.

  1. User registers at X lemmy/mastadon/peertube instance (activitypub app, [APA]) and gets malloc@lemmy.xyz
  2. Users visits Y APA
  3. Logins to Y APA using X user
  4. User redirected to X APA instance to login (knows user registered at lemmy.xyz)
  5. Upon successful login, user returned to Y APA

User now able to browse/post/comment in Y APA without having to manually go through original APA app where user account lives.

Basically each APA acts as its own IdP (identity provider); and would go a long way in improving user experience and reducing frustration.

If you are not familiar with this flow, then look at any web service with a login. They are usually accompanied by a Google/Apple/Facebook login option; and that’s that we are trying to replicate here. One set of credentials across the entire fediverse.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

honestly i feel that lemmy should just have been matrix-based rather than activitypub, sure it's nice to have native federation with mastodon but the forum structure is PERFECT for the matrix model.

By using matrix you would have communities be independent of servers (thus actually owned by the moderators and not the instance admins), and there would be a possibility of decentralized user accounts somewhere in the far future.

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[–] ndguardian@lemmy.studio 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t think the post has a ton of merits for reasons that have already been described. That being said, there is one potential issue that I’m surprised that hasn’t been mentioned, which is impersonation.

Say someone takes the username jimbo on an instance somewhere and becomes super popular. Then someone else decides to create the same username jimbo on a similarly named instance and tries impersonating the other user. Sure, people can look and see “oh this isn’t that other jimbo” but you would have to look and see.

Probably not a major issue, but could theoretically become one.

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[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 5 points 1 year ago

So there is a !trees@lemmy.world and !trees@no.lastname.nz (pluss probably others)

The first is more or less r/trees the second I set up for therapeutic uses of 'trees' and shrooms

Each instance will have it's own ethos, mod policies and code of conduct. Choose your communities based on what gets posted to them.

The same could be said for [hypothetical] [!worldnewa@beehaw.org](/c/worldnewa@beehaw.org) and [!worldnews@lemmygrad.ml](/c/worldnews@lemmygrad.ml). They would be very different communities to read

[–] grandcthulhu@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Naloxone@vlemmy.net 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I like Lemmy a lot so far, and I’ve brought along a couple of friends… I do have a couple of questions though!

What happens if the server I’m on goes down for an extended period of time, or forever? Is my account data just gone? Or is that mirrored somewhere else?

[–] variants_of_concern@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

I'm thinking it's gone unless the owner of your instance makes backups

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[–] CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

I just sub to multiple communities with the same name.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As other commenters have mentioned, this is technically true but pretty misleading. This is viewing the fediverse through an inappropriate lens.

Your account technically doesn’t exist on other instances but it effectively doesn’t matter.

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