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King trump indeed

Update:
And it's done. Delayed until September:
Judge delays Trump’s hush money sentencing until at least September after high court immunity ruling

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[–] Drusas@kbin.run 76 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't make any sense. He had not yet been elected when committing these particular crimes.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Some of the evidence presented was from when he was president. That's at least the angle his lawyers are going for.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I generally don't agree with broad statements about all lawyers being thrown into the sun because it's important for even guilty seeming people to have fair representation... but his lawyers absolutely should be thrown into the sun.

"Yo Dawg, I heard you like bad faith arguments, so I put some bad faith arguments in your bad faith arguments."

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I mean, to play devil's advocate, it's their job. He's their client, they're supposed to work in their client's best interest, and as long as they're not breaking any laws to do it, they're doing what they're being paid to do.

I think it more comes down to the judge needing to put a stop to the bad-faith arguments; if the judge is accepting them, why wouldn't they keep making them?

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yea, okay, we can hold off on our coronal mass injection cannon for now - but if those fucks break any laws trying to intimidate jurors or bribing officials... well, I'll keep the cannon spun up in my garage.

I, specifically, want Trump to gain no special benefits or privileges based on him being Trump or wealthy - he's gotten far too many gifts already.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

no special benefits or privileges based on him being [...] wealthy

That's unfortunately simply not the world we live in.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

So you're saying I should wind up the cannon? Can't a mad scientist just launch a few people into the sun without all this back and forth?! /s

Yea, I know. It fucking sucks.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, this is it. It’s the defense’s job to zealously defend to the extent of the law, the burden is necessarily on the state to prove things and carry out justice.

Which is why when your supreme court are corrupt fascist bastards and fuck all that up, there’s not a lot of options left. It would have been great to elect someone from a competent or at least not-evil party to avoid this particular situation but “we” didn’t.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

ITS BULLSHIT!!!

GOD! FUCKING! DAMMIT!!

. . . Sorry had to get that out. Uh, carry on, I’m gonna go lie down . . .

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We're fucked. Fascism is here. Fight like your life depends on it. In the next few months it will. The powers that be are all in on King Trump.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

defense attorneys argued that Manhattan prosecutors had placed “highly prejudicial emphasis on official-acts evidence,” including Trump’s social media posts and witness testimony about Oval Office meetings

It's unclear to me why an official act cannot be used as evidence that a different unofficial act occurred. Let's say candidate Trump shoots Bob on Fifth Avenue and then, after being elected, threatens to "kill Joe the way [he] killed Bob" during his State of the Union address. He can't be held accountable for threatening to kill Joe, but he did just confess that he killed Bob while he wasn't president. Why couldn't this confession be used as evidence in his trial for killing Bob? Or, for that matter, in his trial for killing Joe if he went on to kill Joe after he was out of office?

[–] qantravon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're right, it's totally nonsensical. Clearly that was put in to screw with this specific situation.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

You can see pretty clearly how the conservatives have a result they want and work backwards.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 months ago

The Supreme Court added in a provision to the ruling that official acts can't be used as evidence for unofficial crimes. It's based on absolutely nothing and tailor made to get Trump out of his legal troubles. It was bad enough that they lost Coney-Barrett on that part of the ruling so it was only 5-4 there. But it doesn't need to make sense because they are the completely unchallengeable deciders and everyone else has to dutifully accept whatever new law they make up. They believe they've won and don't need to pretend anymore.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I totally agree. I hope Mercan goes that direction

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] snooggums@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nah nah, the ruling applies to all presidents, see?

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 5 points 3 months ago

Oh really? Obama's one negative was being on board with overuse of drone strikes that killed civillians...

Someone get Obama on the phone!

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Remember: there are bad actors here that are doing everthing they can to paint Biden as being worse for America than Trump- despite things like this. Despite Project 2025. Despite him claiming he’d help Israel “finish the job.” They are urging you not to vote against him-

LIVES DEPEND ON VOTES THIS YEAR.

Don’t listen to these cowards and VOTE!

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Manhattan prosecutors said Tuesday they would not oppose Donald Trump’s request to delay the sentencing in his hush money trial as he seeks to have the conviction overturned following a Supreme Court ruling that granted broad immunity protections to presidents.

If granted by Judge Juan M. Merchan, the delay would mean that Trump won’t learn his sentence until after he is formally nominated at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, which starts July 15, leaving open the possibility that he could be ordered to jail during a critical stretch of his campaign.

The letter came one day after Trump’s attorney requested the judge delay the sentencing as he weighs the high court’s ruling and how it could influence the New York case.

In their filing, defense attorneys argued that Manhattan prosecutors had placed “highly prejudicial emphasis on official-acts evidence,” including Trump’s social media posts and witness testimony about Oval Office meetings.

Trump was convicted May 30 on 34 counts of falsifying business records arising from what prosecutors said was an attempt to cover up a $130,000 hush money payment to porn actor Stormy Daniels just before the 2016 presidential election.

Prosecutors said the Daniels payment was part of a broader scheme to buy the silence of people who might have gone public during the campaign with embarrassing stories alleging he had extramarital sex.


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