Trump lied, while Biden got his facts straight. Clearly, an old man with our best interests at heart is better than a cheap imitation of Hitler.
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As many others are commenting that's, unfortunately, not the concern here. It's theater, and he bombed and his lapses will be broadcast ad nauseum to drive that impression to the impressionable
Anyone trying to spin this positively is delusional. This was a very, very damning performance by Biden. It doesn't matter what Trump said or didn't say. Dems are saying it was bad, donors are saying it, even onlookers from abroad.
Dems sticking with an octogenarian was dumb. It's like lessons never learned. They fight the progressive's to defend the status quo. Scaring people about democracy being on the line may not cut it, even though it's absolutely true. People are already tired and struggling. It helps to have some energy at the top of your ticket.
You can downvote, but we will all be wringing our hands for the next five months.
He's going to need to serve his prison sentence so this is a dangerous, crazy, moot point. They got him on State charges for what Cohen did and he ain't gonna sing so time for Mr. Big to pay his debt to society, something he hopefully can't escape again despite his moral and neurological bankruptcy
Tired of everyone dancing around this "small" problem. He has to be punished and it was stupid of society to let it get this bad. Fucking age limits, no older than 70 and mental competency tests that have teeth. Tax returns must be produced. Courts have enforced timelines for grave politico-legal issues. Emoluments safeguards enforced vigorously. No more profiting off using your own venues.
We have much to learn and improve on, Trump has exposed it all
While that would be ~~nice~~ the right thing, it's highly unlikely to happen. The very fact that he is even running and that he has full control over his party says so.
Do you feel like your vote was swayed at all?
Didn't change mine, but I'm the opposite of a low information voter, and just based on p2025 I'd vote for Weekend at Biden's.
Did you think Trump could actually win back in 2016? I get what you're saying, but it's not me you have to worry about. It's the voters who put him in office back in 2016, and the ones who still might again. Democracy being on the line may not be the best way to win voters or energize a base. The youth already feel betrayed. And dems suck at messaging.
I did not think Trump could win in 2016. I actually agree with all your points. I’m just a little baffled myself from this nonsense.
I don't always whip out the Bible to prove a point but all these like hateful so-called Christians who are rising up to injure their fellow man make me think of this line:
2nd Thessalonians 2:11-12:
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Regardless of whether you believe in the Bible or anything like that, the fact that this scenario has been spoken about in the past indicates that it is a known sociological fallacy in human beings, that we as a group have a tendency to engage in hateful self-destructive behaviors while under a strong delusion that we are doing the right thing.
I just wish people could see that when you have 100 million Cassandras screaming at you that Rome is about to go down in flames that somebody who has access to the fire extinguisher could hear them and break the glass.
(Choosing the word Cassandra because Cassandra was a seer who was cursed so that nobody would believe her prophetic visions, and so she was bound to helplessly watch over and over again is horrible things happened)
I feel you, it's all absurd but not the kind you can laugh at.
Do you think lemmy.world/c/politics is a good representation of the american electorate?
Probably not lol
Do we have the momentum to elect a different candidate at the convention? Otherwise I'm absolutely voting for Biden over fucking Trump.
that would 100% lose the election for democrats if party insiders handpick the candidate instead of voters. A better strategy would be to pickup a half decent VP that can do a debate and then resign after election
You mean like they did in ‘16?
You mean like they did in this time too? when telling everyone not to primary? The super delegates created all of this mess.
2020 was way closer than it should have been, with key states being a hair’s breath from going to Trump.
Biden cannot afford to lose any votes.
I pretty much agree. I think the confusion of switching candidates would cause administrative panic, and a huge portion of voters would still vote for Biden. My morbid hope is for Biden to keel over. I think that's the most graceful way we could swap candidates.
Or he could step down with dignity and back his replacement candidate. Seems like that would help sway voters in the Democrats favor
I think a fair amount of voters would still end up voting for Biden, though. Some people are really unaware of politics.
Him getting JFK'd isn't an impossibility. Sad thing to wish for, though. I feel like Biden actually has good intentions here, I'd like him to just retire in peace. Democrats in congress could oust him as unfit under the 25th amendment and it would probably work whether the republicans join or not.
It was not a great night, but can it really be called a loss when the other guy refused to answer any questions?
Yes, because these debates are not won by whoever is more factual, they're won by whoever has better rhetoric, which is why it's such a fool's errand for Biden to undertake it to begin with.
People who vote based on facts aren't going to learn anything new watching this debate, this is a circus for low-information voters who decide to vote based on "vibe".
And most people in that audience didn't actually watch the debate live, but will have Biden's biggest blunders blasted at them on repeat for the next 5 months.
Wake up, man. Half the electorate is dumber than dogshit and we live in a post-facts world.
Yes. It can.
Biden just got into a wrestling match with an orange turd.
Sometimes, nobody wins.
Neither does Trump. We all know this. But our options are dottering old man and a narcissistic, sociopathic fascist. We have a broken system and this is what it has led us to. Probably what it was always going to lead us to, because nobody ever figured out a way to fix it. Maybe one day we'll get to rebuild it from the ground up and it'll be better. I'll probably be dead before that happens though.
Still if the options are between somewhat senile Biden, or raving malignant narcissist Trump, there is no doubt for me who is the better choice.
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You served your purpose Joe. You saved us from Trump in 2020. I wish you would have done it 6 months ago but it's time to make as graceful an exit as you can. America has to persevere or succumb to fascism and I feel you're making the latter more likely. It may feel like abandoning your post but it's for the good of the nation. We need to look forward and you only remind us of the past. Please pass the baton.
Biden didn't save us from Trump, voters did.
The same voters that gave us the disaster that was 45 also. Get out and vote, people.
Voters giveth, voters taketh away.
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Still better than Traitorapist.
Most of the people here would still vote for Biden if he was wheelchair bound and communicated with a bell zipp-tied to his armrest like Tio Salamanca.
The question isn't "is he better than trump", it's "will enough people be motivated to go vote for a candidate that's slipping into a waking coma?" and every day that Biden opens his mouth in front of a camera like tonight he looses more people who don't give a fuck about politics.
There is no good news from this debate. If the democrats have a single other option to replace Biden on the ticket they should do it now or else ensure a trump presidency.
It was a tough night for Biden.
I’m voting for the democrat no matter what. Brandon needs to go.
I'd go so far to say he shouldn't be President at this point. Step down, let Kamala take the wheel for the rest of the year.
If he can't handle Trump in a debate, there's no way he's handling Presidential duties.
De Nial is not just a river in Egypt.
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