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[–] hark@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

If you want democrats to win, you shouldn't delude yourself with this stupid article that takes the opinion of one undecided voter (asked out of a group of about a dozen people) and pretend this is something that applies to undecided voters at large. This is copium on the level of 2016 and we'd all be better off if we didn't huff this bullshit. We should be taking steps to improve our chances, not gaslighting ourselves.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm laughing that I submit 2 different focus groups of undecided voters saying the opposite and it's down-voted into oblivion.

But this copium is upvoted...

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I don't consider myself a Republican or a Democrat, although unless things change drastically in American politics, I can't see myself ever voting Republican by the time I'm dead and gone. With that said, I mentioned to someone yesterday that if I didn't have the experience of living through Trump's time in office, this debate would make me seriously consider voting for him.

I really don't believe that this debate is going to sway many undecided voters toward Biden. If you compare their performance at face value, Trump was unusually well-spoken, and Biden seemed like he belonged in a nursing home. Half of what Trump said was complete bullshit, but how many undecided voters are actually reading articles that show how full of it he really is?

What you have is a person who stated lies as fact and did a decent job of being convincing and a person who was generally truthful but seemed like he "wasn't all there." Undecided voters who "don't follow politics" are going to see this and say "You know, I think I understand why people support Trump." That's a very scary prospect.

I don't dislike Biden, but my personal opinion is that the best thing he could do for the country is step aside and let a different Democrat take the nomination. Geriatrics like Trump and Biden need to retire, do whatever they feel like in their golden years, and let someone else take the reins. A competent politician in his 50s or 60s would absolutely destroy Trump, and that's exactly what we need right now.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In this thread:

Everyone not on the Right doing what they do best:

Argue incessantly with one another.

And ya'll wonder why the Left struggles so often.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Not arguing among each other is what helped turn the party of Lincoln to what it is today.

[–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is unfortunately true. We have the same shit in Germany. The Nazis are uniting while the left fight each other because one doesn't support lgbtq+ enough, the other group forgot to gender correctly, other hardliners won't go to pro-democracy protests because CDU voters are amongst them. It's pathetic. We need a strong and united front against the far right. Not this hissy bullshit.

[–] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That phrase "Don't let perfect get in the way of good" is our stumbling block. We want our candidate to support everything we support and no less. Friggin' Trump is a rapist, a traitor, a racist, etc., but if he says he wants let's say Christianity to be the national religion, the Christians are like "Hey he supports us, we'll vote for him," and completely ignore everything else. Single issue, boom, they're in. The left needs to value unity over their individual issues right now.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

If you want to see a great example of this is in a comment section, watch the comments on Boing Boing for a bit. The site used to be one of the top 100 sites, IIRC, and maybe still is, and the comments used to be rather fun and interesting. In recent years, it's been take over by a very far-left fringe with a very particular interest in just checking off boxes and playing "oppression olympics". It's a textbook case of this. I got on there a few years ago and made a few comments in defense of sanity and unity among the left.

Some of the best posts making great points got taken down in quick order, even though I was entirely civil the entire time. Those arguing against me - if not the mods themselves - were absolutely violating the supposed rules - had theirs all left up, even if it was using things like ad hominem or just using dumb and overused giphy memes as a supposed "response". Even anyone that tried to cut a middle ground between me and this echo chamber had their posts nuked, too.

Anyone on the fence witnessing such a thing is not going to vote for leftists, I can tell you that much. If they don't vote for donnie (or his next version), they'll just sit out on elections.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

At least 2 previously undecided voters now support Biden so I suppose this headline is technically correct, it's just completely meaningless and insignificant statistically.

[–] TheDannysaur@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

This comment says it better than I could. The debate was a disaster for Biden. Which sucks.

[–] HaleHirsute@infosec.pub 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

No one who saw that debate was inspired by Biden, no one. Ok maybe 1 out of 100, maybe. But 99 of them were not. Gaslighting won’t help, the goose is cooked.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's like you didn't even read the article or what they said and are trying to pretend they said something else. Amazing that you would pull the term "gaslighting" out, it's almost as if you know what you are doing.

To reiterate he article, they were turned off by Trump's lies and repeating the same things and avoiding the questions. None says they were inspired by Biden.

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[–] Evrala@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I supported Biden before the debate, I support him now after the debate. But now it's more of a "Ah fuck, look at this mess I'm going to be voting for, ah fuck what the fuck America aaaaaaah." Than it was before.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump's lies were more obvious than normal. So there's that, I guess.

Maybe they just related to someone having trouble keeping up with a yelling idiot liar?

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

His lies seemed more artful and effortless to me, and he stayed calm and lucid the entire time.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago

Very capable delusions

The best fictionary

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What kind of head in the sand, wishy-washy troglodyte is undecided for this election? We've already had 4 years of each, with 24 hour news coverage for literally everything they do.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

According to this recent study, young people who want a more progressive option

"A majority (60%) think the U.S. should increase spending on social programs and increase taxes on businesses and wealthy Americans.

This survey finds no evidence that a rightward ideological shift would solve Biden’s problems with swing voters. Swing voters broadly think Biden needs to take more action to solve our country's problems and broadly lean left on economic and social issues. Only 16% say that Biden being “too liberal” is a reason they might not vote for him.

The top two issues swing voters select as actions that would make them definitely vote for Biden are raising taxes on the wealthy (23%) and raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour (18%)."

https://www.dataforprogress.org/insights/2024/5/30/measuring-the-swing-evaluating-the-key-voters-of-2024

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

It's too bad those voters never show up.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I suppose that would make sense. Trump doubled down on tax cuts for the wealthy and burning the hell out of fossil fuels. So even if someone were oblivious to his lying, and Trump was able to "perform" more confidently, the end result were policies with grave implications. Also, on the one weak point with progressives, falling to protect Palestinians, Trump's criticism was that Biden wasn't pro Israel hard enough...

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"One weak point" as in progressive's only weak argument, or as in the only thing Biden is weak on that they want?

Because there are quite a few other things Biden is weak on that progressives want.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Perhaps an oversimplification, but I'd say it's the one point that progressives are so pissed that they would tend to forget that the other likely choice would rather see more genocide. On other points I'd say progressives may wish for better, but are willing to be more pragmatic for now.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ok let's see how the polls move. If they move in the right direction, Biden stays on. If they move in the direction everyone knows they'll move in, he steps down. Deal?

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There will be no negotiations. You will accept what the DNC... your betters... puts forward to you. You will bow and kiss the oldest moldiest feet in human existence.

Now stand up and clap. And you will smile. Bigger now... I see you're not smiling big enough after placing your vote. Sorry, it's too late for you... you are now antisemetic and you are 110% responsible for the Republicans installing a authoritarian government.

Don't forget to chant "Joe Biden is the most labor friendly president in history " 20 times every time when you wake up.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If I've learned anything over the years, it is that geriatric power vampires never willingly step down.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

Considering thw age of both Biden and Trump, either being forced to work four years more should be considered elder abuse.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Democratic party would crush it if only they replaced Biden with a younger candidate. I'm telling you, even republicans might switch over and vote democrat if this happens.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol, have you seen a Republican recently?

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, have you?? I actually happen to live amongst them, which may sound exotic to some Lemmings.

"I hate Trump, but Joe is a walking corpse" is not an uncommon sentiment.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are they aware that even an almost-corpse could follow their advisors and therefore end up having an effective presidency? As long as Biden doesn't start doing random senile shit (and be realistic, he's far from that)

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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If Biden decided to step down, his delegates are pledged to support Kamala Harris. So it's either him or her.

Still certain Democrats would crush it without Biden?

[–] yemmly@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Will someone please come out and say what the problem with Kamala Harris is? I see people hinting about it all the time, but I have no idea what it’s all about.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have a problem with many of her past decisions but, the same goes for Biden. Both are still a significantly better choice than Trump.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is she pro genocide? My only problem with Biden is his age and Israel policy, and I have no idea what hers are.

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