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‘I Know I’m Not a Young Man’: Biden Confronts Doubts During Forceful Rally (www.nytimes.com)

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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And…the rest of us have to pay the price of his hubris. Just like we’re paying the price for Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s hubris. And Feinstein’s hubris. And Hillary’s hubris.

The Republicans are pure, self-interested evil. But, all of consequences of their awfulness is actively fueled by the Democratic Party’s unwillingness to mount a meaningful opposition.

The only silver lining to Biden’s pathetic display yesterday, is the prospect that this moment may represent the last few stammering gasps of boomer domination in the US. Thanks for the music and the computers, now get the fuck out of the way so younger people can start cleaning up the mess you made.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact: Biden is actually too old to be a boomer. So is Trump.

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

This is the actual problem. Boomer voters (who are pathologically trapped in adolescence; look at how they projected views of eternal childhood onto Millennials) would only feel safe with the last of the ancient preceeding generation. "Save us elder daddies, we have no minds to think but can't trust the 'children' younger than us to know anything!"

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don’t discount the "moderate voter's" aversion to progressive candidates.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Seems to me like they're unreliable voters. Seems to me if the party is abandoning its (alleged) principles to court unreliable voters, it should have a better justification for ignoring progressives than "they're unreliable voters."

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You’re joking, right? They’re the majority of the active voters on the left. It’s progressives that protest by abstention and vote third-party when they don’t get an ideal candidate. Turnout cost Democrats the election in 2016, then we got Biden, not Sanders in 2020.

Those polls are exactly why the DNC keeps moving candidates toward center. They try to capture the reliably active voters rather than roll the dice on the inconsistent participation of the far left.

I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the election. I know many who did the former, but did not do the latter.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s progressives that protest by abstention and vote third-party when they don’t get an ideal candidate.

In 2008, when centrists didn't get their absolute very first choice, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected. A greater percentage of Sanders supporters came out to vote for Clinton than Clinton supporters came out to vote for Obama.

Turnout cost Democrats the election in 2016,

Running the single worst candidate who ever drew breath did that. Clinton earned her loss.

The DNC moves to the right, not the center.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your justification for abstention has no bearing on the repercussions of the action.

Progressives felt rightfully disenfranchised by the DNC’s support of Hillary over Bernie, so many abstained in the November election.

The DNC looked at active voter demographics from 2016, and backed Biden over Bernie in 2020.

Abstention does not make your voice heard. It’s just forgoing your say in our current election and potential next candidate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your justification for abstention

Stop lying about my position just because you are completely incapable of defending yours.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You justified the voter abstention in 2016 by stating that Hillary was the worst candidate that ever drew breath. I’m not citing your actions, but your stated opinion.

Twist the narrative any way you want. At the end of the day, it’s a simple numbers game. If Democrats show up, a Democrat is elected. If not, candidates move more towards the active voter demographics, which would be right from their previous candidate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You justified the voter abstention in 2016 by stating that Hillary was the worst candidate that ever drew breath.

No, I said it's why she lost.

Clinton supporters in '08 threw a bigger tantrum than you accuse Sanders supporters of throwing in '16.

At the end of the day, it’s a simple numbers game. If Democrats show up, a Democrat is elected.

And Clinton was shit at getting people to the polls. Turns out, "fuck you, shut up, you're voting for me" is a shit message. And before you accuse me of being a child who needs to be coddled to vote or whatever thing I can mark on my "centrist thought-terminating cliche" bingo card, I voted for her. Civic duty and all that. Unlike centrists, I can still recognize that you need to have a message and a candidate that gets people to the polls, and it's clear she didn't and wasn't.

Democrats love the old saw about Republicans falling in line but Democrats falling in love, but they still give us candidates no one loves and order us to fall in line. And then blame everyone but themselves for ignoring the political reality because they felt entitled to everyone's votes, regardless of how they acted.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Again, you’re spouting opinions to justify inaction. The reason was turnout.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Believe whatever lie you want. Under all your self-deceit, you know that a better candidate would have beaten Trump.

[–] HappyStarDiaz@real.lemmy.fan -1 points 4 months ago

Yep, stone cold fact

[–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump is three years younger than Biden. We only talk about Biden's age because he just looks older. They both have mental problems.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Clearly Biden needs a spray tan and some hair dye.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Setting aside November for a moment, shouldn't we be having a discussion about whether Biden is fit to be president right now? It can't be good for all of the nation's enemies to know the US of A has an addled president, can it?

He should be stepping aside and letting Kamala take over.

Let Democrats see how President Harris fares for a couple months before the Democrat convention has to decide in August whether to run a different candidate or stick with Harris.

That way, if they do decide to run with Harris, she'll be entering the election as an incumbent.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden was tired from engagements, a sore throat and jet lag. What could go wrong? This was a made-to-order event for trolls.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Regardless, he's toast. This will dog him the entire campaign. The media will harp on every slip, every old age shuffle, every slack jawed stare. He needs to drop out

[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He's definitely not "toast". One stupid debate will not affect anyone's decision to back him. Obama had a bad first debate as well when he ran in his very first electoral race, and he still won. Twice, to be exact. None of these things you mention are going to be a deal breaker for people who know what's at stake, and each day, that number grows. Joe isn't perfect, but he is light years better than another Trump term.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

He is light years better than Trump. A tapeworm is lightyears better than Trump. Question is, what do undecideds think? I only hope Trumps lying and evasion turn off swing voters, but it hasn't so far

[–] kava@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

The age thing was already a concern. Now it's a panic. Even top Dems are avoiding question of whether to remove Biden.

The debate was a catastrophe. It really couldn't have gone much worse.

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You act like the media harping on him for his age is anything new. Russian propagandist really need to stop commenting on our election...

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Oh lol. For fucks sake. Someone criticises your fave and they're a "Russian propogandist"? Grow up JFC. Are all the people reporting questioning in the Dems Russian as well? Are the questioning dems all Russian agents? JFC

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oops /s on my last sentence, I understand you are probably not, just that you are not acting in a manner that best fits the scenario where trump loses.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Appreciate the clarification.. Totally missed that it was sarcasm.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's no chance he steps down, his ego is too huge.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago

The Biden we saw at the debate is the Biden at the dnc has known all along, yet they pushed him as the incumbent, refusing to primary him and telling the public this is your only choice because they knew that voters would come out and vote for him regardless of what he has done or who he is or what he is incapable of doing. This is the exact same Biden that leftist told liberals back in 2019 2020 of who Biden actually is and they kept writing it off as a stutter

[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m not voting for Joe now. Libertarian all the way!

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That’s great that the libertarians will get a vote now.

[–] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Creepy Joe LMAO..