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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And…the rest of us have to pay the price of his hubris. Just like we’re paying the price for Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s hubris. And Feinstein’s hubris. And Hillary’s hubris.

The Republicans are pure, self-interested evil. But, all of consequences of their awfulness is actively fueled by the Democratic Party’s unwillingness to mount a meaningful opposition.

The only silver lining to Biden’s pathetic display yesterday, is the prospect that this moment may represent the last few stammering gasps of boomer domination in the US. Thanks for the music and the computers, now get the fuck out of the way so younger people can start cleaning up the mess you made.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don’t discount the "moderate voter's" aversion to progressive candidates.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Seems to me like they're unreliable voters. Seems to me if the party is abandoning its (alleged) principles to court unreliable voters, it should have a better justification for ignoring progressives than "they're unreliable voters."

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You’re joking, right? They’re the majority of the active voters on the left. It’s progressives that protest by abstention and vote third-party when they don’t get an ideal candidate. Turnout cost Democrats the election in 2016, then we got Biden, not Sanders in 2020.

Those polls are exactly why the DNC keeps moving candidates toward center. They try to capture the reliably active voters rather than roll the dice on the inconsistent participation of the far left.

I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the election. I know many who did the former, but did not do the latter.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s progressives that protest by abstention and vote third-party when they don’t get an ideal candidate.

In 2008, when centrists didn't get their absolute very first choice, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected. A greater percentage of Sanders supporters came out to vote for Clinton than Clinton supporters came out to vote for Obama.

Turnout cost Democrats the election in 2016,

Running the single worst candidate who ever drew breath did that. Clinton earned her loss.

The DNC moves to the right, not the center.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your justification for abstention has no bearing on the repercussions of the action.

Progressives felt rightfully disenfranchised by the DNC’s support of Hillary over Bernie, so many abstained in the November election.

The DNC looked at active voter demographics from 2016, and backed Biden over Bernie in 2020.

Abstention does not make your voice heard. It’s just forgoing your say in our current election and potential next candidate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your justification for abstention

Stop lying about my position just because you are completely incapable of defending yours.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You justified the voter abstention in 2016 by stating that Hillary was the worst candidate that ever drew breath. I’m not citing your actions, but your stated opinion.

Twist the narrative any way you want. At the end of the day, it’s a simple numbers game. If Democrats show up, a Democrat is elected. If not, candidates move more towards the active voter demographics, which would be right from their previous candidate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You justified the voter abstention in 2016 by stating that Hillary was the worst candidate that ever drew breath.

No, I said it's why she lost.

Clinton supporters in '08 threw a bigger tantrum than you accuse Sanders supporters of throwing in '16.

At the end of the day, it’s a simple numbers game. If Democrats show up, a Democrat is elected.

And Clinton was shit at getting people to the polls. Turns out, "fuck you, shut up, you're voting for me" is a shit message. And before you accuse me of being a child who needs to be coddled to vote or whatever thing I can mark on my "centrist thought-terminating cliche" bingo card, I voted for her. Civic duty and all that. Unlike centrists, I can still recognize that you need to have a message and a candidate that gets people to the polls, and it's clear she didn't and wasn't.

Democrats love the old saw about Republicans falling in line but Democrats falling in love, but they still give us candidates no one loves and order us to fall in line. And then blame everyone but themselves for ignoring the political reality because they felt entitled to everyone's votes, regardless of how they acted.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Believe whatever lie you want. Under all your self-deceit, you know that a better candidate would have beaten Trump.

[–] HappyStarDiaz@real.lemmy.fan -1 points 4 months ago

Yep, stone cold fact

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact: Biden is actually too old to be a boomer. So is Trump.

[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

This is the actual problem. Boomer voters (who are pathologically trapped in adolescence; look at how they projected views of eternal childhood onto Millennials) would only feel safe with the last of the ancient preceeding generation. "Save us elder daddies, we have no minds to think but can't trust the 'children' younger than us to know anything!"