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Wells Fargo fires employees for utilising down time. (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 5 months ago by manicdave@feddit.uk to c/antiwork@lemmy.ml

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[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 81 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Notice how this doesn't even have anything to do with productivity. These people were fired purely for having the gall to not respect office hours regardless of the completion of tasks.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Solution: work

Very

Slowly

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No, I would like to actually have time in my life not send it being a sloth slave.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

you can have time in between being a sloth slave throughout your work day, if thats how these fucks will force us to be.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They don't force shit we accept it by not forcing back.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

amen

[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago

Yeah. That's the problem. It doesn't seem to be that they didn't do the work, it's that they did other stuff too.

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 66 points 5 months ago

“I completely understand why someone doesn’t want to commute an hour and a half every day, totally got it. Doesn’t mean they have to have a job here either,” he said.

Takes a special kind of assholes to think that people have no right to their own lifetime.

[–] Stizzah@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 5 months ago

Lack of workers rights, as usual. In (most of) Europe those monitoring systems are illegal, as it should be.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 11 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The US bank Wells Fargo has fired more than a dozen workers for alleged “simulation of keyboard activity”, in an apparent attempt to fool their employer into thinking they were working.

A company spokesperson said: “Wells Fargo holds employees to the highest standards and does not tolerate unethical behaviour.”

Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JP Morgan, told the Economist last year that employees who did not want to commute to the office could find a job elsewhere.

In 2020, Microsoft apologised for using software that singled out individuals and assigned them a “productivity score” based on emails sent and meetings attended.

Last year the British thinktank the Institute for Public Policy Research called workplace surveillance “dystopian”, claiming that it disproportionately targeted minorities as well as female and younger workers.

Jennifer Abruzzo, the general counsel of the US National Labour Relations Board, said in a 2022 memo that she was worried about keystroke monitoring software being used by some employers in order to discourage workers from unionising.

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[+] fishos@lemmy.world -8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Well Fargo fired people for working a second job ON COMPANY TIME, USING COMPANY RESOURCES AND COMPUTERS.

THIS IS FRAUD.

They abso-fucking-lutely deserved this. Don't get behind this story and act like it's employers being shitty when it was employees faking working their main job using mouse/keyboard idlers to work a second job during time they were being paid by the first job for, using resources provided by the first job.

Work 2 jobs separately? Big whoop. Being paid for your time to do a job and you do a completely different job in that time using your employers resources? Hell, be glad they didn't sue you.

Get behind real issues, not this. This just makes you look like the reddit anti work mod who got interviewed and complained that they couldn't support themselves as a dog walker for 2 hours a week. It makes YOU look unreasonable.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

it literally says they were fired for using a mouse jiggler.

However, I live in a so-called right-to-work state, which means my employer can do whatever the fuck they like - but the flip side is - so can I.

The contract I signed doesn't mention which or how many hours I work, just that I don't disclose privileged information to competitors.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Right to work laws have nothing to do with at-will employment, which it what you're describing. Right to work laws prevent unions from collecting dues from non-union members. That's all.

Before anyone jumps on and says right to work laws prevent union shops from requiring membership in a union as a condition of employment, that was the Taft-Hartley act of 1947.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ok fair, I meant - via synecdoche - the cluster of (or lack of) employment laws that make things flexible for employers works both ways.

It is very different in countries with strict employment laws

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sorry, I'm usually a bit more tactful! I'm not trying to criticize, just inform.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

Lmao that's not how "right to work" works. That's how having a contract works lmao

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You are correct that in our current capitalist system, the employees were in the wrong.

The problem is the capitalist system itself is wrong.

The Antiwork community is here to as a counter culture to the capitalist/corporate culture that has become so ingrained in our society at large. The idea that a person is forced to stay at work for their entire shift, even during times where there is no work to be done, is a problem. That is essentially where the term "wage slave" comes from, because while we are on the clock we lose our freedom to do what we want with our time.

[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not even mad at the employers to be fair. The problem is that so many jobs are just busy-work that exists because as a society we can't imagine decoupling labour from subjugation.

[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bad troll

[–] fishos@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Read the actual articles detailing what they did. It was fraud. If you legit think this is ok, then you are advocating for lying and cheating to get what you want, which, I dunno, I thought that was EXACTLY what you despised about the capitalists.

So funny how the oppressed always wants to become the oppressor. You're not arguing for a better world, just one where you "get yours".

[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Bad troll.

Also for those down voting me for calling out a troll, get a life. Look at their history. It's all trolling.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Odd, the article says nothing about working a second job. Nor should it matter, especially if you are not paying hourly.

[+] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Lololol what? Utilizing down time? You've made that up. They were lying about working.

This is pure fuck around and find out. These fuck faces are ruining WFH for everyone.

[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The article doesn't say anything about productivity or targets. They got as much done as someone who manually wiggles the mouse while thinking instead of going for a walk while thinking.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A company spokesperson said: “Wells Fargo holds employees to the highest standards and does not tolerate unethical behaviour.”

Wells Fargo has been notoriously inconsistent.

I'm going to assume the workers were being over-monitored, and disallowed from normal human activity until this is specifically ruled out by additional reports.

When a company is abusive and toxic to the point workers turn to surveillance evasion, it not only ruins that job, but makes the employee wary of future jobs. It causes social harm.

Yes, it is typical, but requiring employees to hand over personal Facebook account passwords used to be typical until the requirement was outlawed. Employers often act in bad faith, and workers commonly have to tolerate it. So distrust of companies, and of Wells Fargo in particular, is well earned.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

You can invent whatever little story you'd like to make your head cannon work.

[–] soloner@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry you're getting downvoted... I read the article as well and yeah- You're totally right. This is BS rage bait that isn't even warranted against Wells Fargo.

I have 2 coworkers who do the same thing and it is pretty damn irritating cuz they're on my team, and I legitimately cannot rely on them on a day to day basis to be around to do their job. So I understand the frustration. This shit does ruin WFH for everyone else, directly or indirectly.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

I'm commenting on .ml, I know how my opinion will be received.