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I asked duckduckgo chat whether duckduckgo respects the privacy of their users... (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 3 weeks ago by NationProtons@sh.itjust.works to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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This is the reply:

As a model running through DuckDuckGo's privacy layer, I can provide you with accurate information about their privacy features.

DuckDuckGo is a search engine that prioritizes user privacy. They have a strong commitment to protecting user data and have implemented various measures to ensure anonymity. Here are some key aspects of their privacy features:

  • No tracking: DuckDuckGo does not track users' searches, browsing history, or any other personal information.
  • No personal data collection: They do not collect or store any personal data, including IP addresses, user agents, or other identifiable information.
  • Encrypted searches: Searches are encrypted, which means that even your ISP or network administrators cannot see what you're searching for.
  • No targeted ads: DuckDuckGo does not display targeted ads, which reduces the risk of data collection and profiling.

Regarding cases where DuckDuckGo's privacy was questioned, there have been a few instances:

  • 2011: DuckDuckGo was criticized for using Amazon Associates, which could potentially track user behavior. However, they quickly addressed the issue and removed the affiliate program.
  • 2019: A security researcher discovered a bug in DuckDuckGo's browser extension that could potentially leak user data. The issue was promptly fixed, and an audit was conducted to ensure the security of their systems.
  • 2020: DuckDuckGo faced criticism for using Microsoft's Bing API, which some argued could compromise user privacy. However, DuckDuckGo clarified that they do not share user data with Microsoft and that their partnership is limited to search results.

It's essential to note that DuckDuckGo has consistently demonstrated a commitment to user privacy and has taken steps to address any concerns or issues that have arisen. They are transparent about their practices and have implemented robust measures to protect user data.

If you have any more questions or concerns about DuckDuckGo's privacy features, feel free to ask!

Is anybody using duckduckgo over searx or other search engines? What is your experience?

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[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 52 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Asking a parrot if its house is safe.

I use DDG, BTW. But searxng is very cool.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I selfhost a searxng instance and honestly forget it's a thing until I'm rebooting my pi or something then wonder why search isn't working lmao

[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't use searxng because I'm comfortable with ddg instant answers. We should build an open source alternative like duckduckhack.

Edit: Dunno why people downvoted, but in my opinion having a local js "addon" which for example can convert inch to cm if you search for "2inch in cm" (obviously all should be locally processed) would be very useful.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

DDG is fine, it works on vpns and Tor. No login required. It's good enough.

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, I used it for a long while in the past. Now mostly on searxNG, but I still like the bangs and quick results from ddg. Kagi is also pretty good, but feels a bit too pricey in my country.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I want to like kagi, but I value privacy, so logging in for searching is antithetical and just outside of my usage model.

Maybe if they supported micro payments to give you like 10 minutes of searching, but I don't see them doing that

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, this makes it also quite a bit less interesting to me. Perhaps it would be better if they could use donations and have a free instance for everyone. But I suppose that earns much less, and having people host their own instances does not seem to be on the roadmap for them.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I did very briefly think it would be a cool project to set up a kagi reseller. A search proxy on tor, people send you micro payments in monero get a cookie set, and can use a few searches in kagi through the proxy.

It's all doable right now, but it depends on kagi honoring their API and pricing and not shutting such a service down.

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That would've been kinda interesting.

I think you can use kagi on as many of your own devices as you want right? I suppose you could share your account with multiple people (probably against their tos, I guess) and make it more private that way. Can't really tell much with a bunch of searches from multiple people and you paying whomever is the owner of the account.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

You end up responsible for them though.

[–] chayleaf@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

searxng has bangs too

!bang to search using a specific engine, !!bang to redirect to a search engine's page

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't know that, very useful. I suppose this is only for using other search engines like google, bing, etc... right?

Or can it also search immediately on other websites like metacritic, rotten tomatoes by using bangs?

[–] chayleaf@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

again, !bang is for searching using a specific search engine, !!bang is for redirecting to a search engine's page

!g will search with google

!!g will redirect to google

all ddg bangs are supported to my knowledge, but obviously !bang will only work with the search engines searxng supports

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

ok, so seems like I will have to use a double bang then. It does not seem match ddg bangs 1:1 though. And some don't seem to be working correctly on my instance (E.g. !!mc for metacritic redirects to the wrong page)

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 3 weeks ago

In other news, CNN says the best news source is CNN.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i just use my local searxng instance and get results from like 10 engines including ddg, then filter with ublacklist

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ublacklist works with searx? Good to know, I want to try this myself.

Your search results must be so clean and useful.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

yeah it works but if you use a local instance you have to compile the extension yourself to include your instance.

[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love searxng in theory, and I use it as my default search engine, but very often I am missing results; I don't know if it's deliberate censorship from bing and google so you don't use their apis on 3rd party platforms, or if searxng is just buggy, but no matter what search engines I enable in the config, I am missing results.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

i have that issue as well,, sometimes it's missing results and other times i get the same result repeated on page 2. not sure why that happens, but i guess it's just a bit buggy.

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No-Script and they redirect you to their no-script search results. Pretty neat !

But searxNG is my go to at the moment !

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I also use SearxNG for all my searches at the moment. But the instance I use is not that fast. Might have to look into hosting one myself.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

DDG chatbot uses chatgpt protocol, so how much privacy is there in this app?

[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It obfuscates the user each time you use it and doesn't log any info?

So while the query is maybe logged on chatgpts side for their own usage. Hopefully they shouldn't be able to build a profile against you.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Metadata tags mean they can try, idk how easy it is tho

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

Seems like you also have the option to use the open source mixtral and llama3 models.

Also, if all the requests from their users go through their api request, i suppose is much more private than using your own account.

I’m not sure how they plan to monetise this though. Ai chat is not that cheap actually.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

using duckduckgo over searx

Well no, but I am getting results from duckduckgo through searx. It's a local instance and when I'm on the road I'll use duckduckgo instead sometimes. It's a big drop in quality compared to getting results from six different engines.

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s why I still prefer searx. Duck duck go is basically just Bing results, right?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's not just Bing results. The image search doesn't bring back as many results as Bing.

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The constant Temu search results drive me nuts, but I found a setting to disable that.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Are you not using ublock origin?

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I am but DDG will show sponsored search results which don't get blocked by ublock.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ublock origin blocks sponsored results for me in Firefox

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'm using the DDG app

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is that something that would be blocked by an adblocker? Or are you talking about the shopping tab? I have not used that myself in duckduckgo

[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No it's like a sponsored search result. You have to go into settings > private search > more settings and then disable Advertisements.

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, so it shows up between your search results? Sounds pretty horrible. Good that it's toggle-able.

[–] land@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What are some of your favourite searx instances? I know I’m going to get some heat for this, but because of how slow searx can be + missing search results forcing me to use brave search. I usually use brave search over ddg.

Any tips for searx to make it faster etc. would be appreciated

[–] NationProtons@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

I use the closest one to me from searx.space. I suppose hosting an instance yourself will give you the best response times, but it always still takes a moment while it searches through multiple search engines. If you only care about the results of one engine (e.g. google) then you could disable the others. Might speed it up a bit.