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I've got this idea baking because I saw a guy post that it's been as many year from 1971 to 2024 as it was from 1971 to 1918. How do the global wars compare in the two periods? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 5 months ago by Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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It occurs to me that this last 1/2 century or so has been globally pretty peaceful. And I wondered if it might even be one of the MOST peaceful 50 years we've had.

I'm inclined to imagine that the Cold War might have kept a lid on larger military aspirations. What do you think, am I deluded?

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[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

You might like this graph of global war deaths by year from 1800 to present:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-in-wars

World War 2 vastly overshadows all other conflicts. Something like 3.7% of the global population died. Some individual countries lost more than 10% of their populations. No other conflict, or group of regional conflicts, comes anywhere close.

I wish the graph in the link had an option to normalize by population. I bet a graph of war deaths as a percent of global population would look very peaceful over the past 50 years.

Edit to add a link about my 10% population number:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351638/second-world-war-share-total-population-loss/

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Great link, thanks for that. We should also note that those are only combatants and don't include the far larger number of civilians who dies because of these conflicts (Holocaust, Siege of Stalingrad, etc.)

I agree that the last 50 years, in terms of "war deaths per capita", must be the most peaceful in all of recorded history, and probably by a huge margin.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Yes, the first link is combatants only. I think the numbers in the second link include civilian deaths, but it isn't explicitly stated on that page.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It feels like it'd be good to see that chart with the world war I and world war II data removed so you can see the other data.

The way it is now it's all so squashed it's almost meaningless. And yes it be good to see it adjusted for percent of population.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

That's what log plot is for, it squashes all data so you have a decent idea of small things even when compared to huge things

[–] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

the cold war turned every civil war into a proxy war with at least one large power (the US) prolonging conflicts and fuelling large death tolls by supplying weapons to the right-wing, if not directly intervening

vietnam/cambodia/laos, both afghanistan wars, angola/namibia, liberia, sierra leone, syria, ukraine, both congo wars, occupation of lebanon, libya, yemen, and the years of lead are some examples of this

less nations legally declare war on each other now because declaring war requires UN backing, but the cold war was a violent extension of imperialism that never ended and a lot of people have been killed

[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If we define the end of the Cold War as the collapse of the Soviet Union, that was over 30 years now. Considering other potential flashpoints (e.g., India and Pakistan), I'd say it's more nuclear deterrence in general. No one wants to be the first to get into sustained conventional, symmetrical warfare with nukes on both sides.

We also seem to be seeing a shift in soft power. Now that raw footage of conflict is readily recorded and broadly accessible, regimes aren't able to control messaging like they used to be. Still need public support to wage war, and it's that much harder to obtain when people can see the faces of the people you're killing.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago

No one wants to be the first to get into sustained conventional, symmetrical warfare with nukes on both sides.

Not to mention no one wants to be the one to start a nuclear exchange, as that would effectively wipe out both participants nations wholeheartedly, and the populations that remains would inherit a wasteland.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

It's probably also a matter of perspective and where in the world you live.

I feel specifically the last 25 years have been specifically bad with the outbreak of quite a number of wars. Starting with two gulf wars, balkan war, several wars around the russian influence sphere, a lot going on in africa, wars nearly forgotten by the media like Yemen, and ultimately Israel/Gaza....

It 's a shit show, globally right now.