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[–] whodoctor11@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

So good to read this, the 2016 coup d'etat represented, among other things, a huge rollback of our infrastructure that was being passed on to open source systems for years, good to know that we are resuming the right path

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[–] filister@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Back then I read an article about how M$ is crippling the ability of other office packets to read their docx and xslx formats which are supposed to be open formats, but in reality are written in a way never to be fully integrated by competing products. More information about their pseudo open standard: https://fsfe.org/activities/msooxml/msooxml.en.html

Munich in the past have used Linux PCs for quite some time until eventually switching back to windows. Back then they were citing the same incompatibilities to open and read and display M$ office files correctly. So Microsoft is definitely abusing their position as a market leader and trying to cripple competition as much as they can.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

So fine them and require all governemtn documents and legal documents of anybkind to be in a true open format. Its only a compatibility problem if people continue to use their format.

[–] furycd001@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

In the past, some people have expressed dissatisfaction when I've sent them files in .odt format. However, it's the superior format in terms of support and functionality, so I always make them aware of that and of the fact that I will never use some shitty ms product....

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

That's unlikely to happen in every country where they're popular. Microsoft can just be like "oh you're gonna fine us? We'll pull out and you guys will be completely fucked. Have fun!"

They got into the enterprise sector so early that most offices wouldn't function without Microsoft products/support.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 7 months ago

They don't need to fine them in every country. Just in Germany. If they pull our of Germany, they need to pull out of the EU. They are not doing that. They will make their document open, for real.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

We'll pull out and you guys will be completely fucked. Have fun!"

Don't threaten me with a good time! /s :)

[–] sep@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Iso allowing itself to be coopted into fast tracking standarizing ooxml in 2008 continues to be horrible. Ms can point and say: see ooxml is a true open format.

[–] IceFoxX@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There was criticism at the time, but the people who had to work with it every day. welcomed it after a very short time. The end of the Limux project happened all by itself, because Munich's mayor is an MS fan boy and said so openly at the time. It was not because of technical problems or anything else. It was just a huge kindergarten child.

https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/document/limux-it-evolution-open-source-success-story-never

[–] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It didn't end
They actually flip flop a lot.
2006: Migration to LiMux begins
2008: 1200 out of 14,000 have migrated to the LiMux environment
2013: Over 15,000 LiMux PC-workstations (of about 18,000 workstations)
2016: Microsoft moves german HQ to Münich
2017: Dumping Linux https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/munich-city-government-to-dump-linux-desktop-84307.html
2020: Going back to Linux https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-not-windows-why-munich-is-shifting-back-from-microsoft-to-open-source-again/
2023: Microsoft opens new Experience Center in Münich https://www.munich-business.eu/meldungen/neues-microsoft-experience-center-emea.html
2023: Analysing what needs to be done to switch to Win10 before new vote https://www.tweaksforgeeks.com/ditching-linux-for-windows-after-wannacry-is-too-risky-for-munich-green-party-warns/
https://lemmy.world/comment/7251741

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

Notice the "Microsft does X" bits and the reactions.

Totally not quid pro quo.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

He posted this update a few months ago, it seems to be progressing well!

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago

Offices have way more power to convert the world to Linux than even gaming does.

And ofc, Microsoft is well aware and is not interested in letting that happen.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

What I predict will happen is that Microsoft will offer them Windows for free or bribe the relevant decision makers with free Surface Pro laptops (for "evaluation") or other Microsoft paraphernalia.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 7 months ago

Or with creating Microsoft offices in their cities, like they did with Munich.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 7 months ago

That's not how they do it, of only because it would tank Windows PR image as "free stuff".

What you do is arrange it with the government to alocate huge budget sums to purchasing Windows and other stuff from Microsoft at normal market value, then return half the money to the government officials under the desk in whatever form you care or can get away with, straight up bribes if you can swing it.

Microsoft gets to remain dominant, Windows appears to have been purchased at normal value and gets to keep its clout as fancy expensive stuff, and the decision makers get mad money out of it. Everybody wins.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_licensing_corruption_scandal