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[–] cowleggies@xcore.social 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”

[–] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 31 points 1 year ago

That’s a big nope for me.

Internet goes out? I can still do some amount of work, now I need power and internet to both work to do any work at all.

Not a fan of this and I will not embrace it.

[–] DEADBEEF@beehaw.org 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Oh my God, they're bringing back clippy.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That means a whole new market of NFT Clippy Skins can be established.

[–] 601error@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That fixes the main problem with Clippy, which was not using a blockchain.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

"It looks like you're trying to defraud people. Would you like help with that?"

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[–] Osayidan@social.vmdk.ca 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I guess that means more people switching to linux, assuming they eventually 100% phase out non-cloud. Not even because "cloud bad" - there will be some of that, but because of the sheer number of people who don't pay for windows, not paying for it isn't an option if they control it completely.

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[–] vracker@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Didn't read the article.

The idea of online only software irritates me. Of course multiplayer games have to work this way. When blizzard and Ubisoft started requiring an active connection for single player games that was just going too far.

Can you imagine sitting at your computer, doing literally anything. The screen goes strait to blue with the windows shutting down screen saying, "Internet disrupted, please contact your provider for support".

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Or trying to do any work on the go? This whole idea is just idiotic to me.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They will have to continue to offer some kind of offline option it seems, for people with flaky internet connections.

[–] towerful@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never mind flaky internet, what about people that do events?

Things like PowerPoint presentation machines, VJ systems, video servers (for massive multiscreen playback).
You can't go into a field for a festival and expect reliable internet.
You can't go into a theatre and expect reliable internet, especially when 3k+ people turn up.
There are a few systems that run OSX, but Apple's hardware doesn't give you as much control as something like an Nvidia Quadro with sync cards. 99% of the big shows will be ran from Windows OS

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[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and I want to move fully off of windows, what a coincidence.

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The situation has never been better for comfortably abandoning Windows. Come to Linux, we have penguins

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

tbh, windows user since the 90s, tried *nix desktops since the early 00s every few years. Used to have a thing where I would force myself to use it for 6 months and it would fail again and again.

In the last year, ive been using ubuntu (which i know isint the best desktop to use even) as a dev system on some of my work. Unlike in the past I am no longer finding an unreasonable delta between the user expectations in linux vs windows systems. I need to drop to a cli for both with ~ the same propensity once I do anything advanced. Not having a registry is a blessing I never thought I would be able to have in a rich visual system.

Long time .NET / Azure dev - moving to linux. After all, what do you think remote windows will run under-the-covers?

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

That's a pretty similar story to mine. Used Linux pretty exclusively over a decade ago, then switched back for my gaming PC. Now that I'm back on Linux though, I don't see any reason to use windows on anything but my company PC, Linux is just better IMO now.

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[–] iax@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are we doing the nobody reads the article thing here too? This isn't a replacement for Windows as an operating system, it's a cloud based version of the OS being sold to consumers. They're trying to compete with inexpensive Chromebooks, not take away your PC.

[–] abir_vandergriff@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

As an occasional sys admin, they've had stuff like this for enterprise forever, it's just self hosted. This is about as surprising as the sun coming up, they've been moving lots of their enterprise tech to consumer subscriptions.

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[–] NotBadAndYou@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well of course they do. They want to turn an every-few-years OS purchase into a monthly subscription fee, like they did with O365. And eventually they'll drop the ability to install apps except through their store (under the guise of providing "safety" from malicious apps), so that they can collect a commission on the third party software sales market as well.

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[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 15 points 1 year ago

No thank you.

Also I bet instead of a one-time license you can have the privilege of paying $9.99 a month forever or lose access to all your files. And possibly requiring an internet connection to use your desktop computer?

[–] death916@lemmy.death916.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

Ya I'd be fully Linux after that. Still too many benefits of having your own hardware.

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but what happens if you don't have a good net connection like at the coffee shop or airports? I swear sometimes people are clueless and just assume you always have good internet when that's not often the case!

[–] BioDriver@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

As someone who works in cloud services/ops and has to deal with Microsoft partner relations almost daily, good luck with that.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google tried that.

Anyway, I'll stick with Linux.

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[–] bbtai@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm kind of confused...if the plan is to move Windows fully to the cloud, why are they talking to chipmakers about enabling more Windows features in future chip releases? Why would you need processing power for the OS if the OS is fully on the cloud?

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[–] iuseit@iusearchlinux.fyi 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haha that will be the year of the Linux desktop, in many ways

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[–] Dee_Imaginarium@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't really want to switch to Linux, Microsoft, please stop pushing me to. I will, but I'd rather not. Ffs.

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[–] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Assuming this will use OpenAI API like other Microsoft's AI products, this is going to be expensive to operate. Subsidizing it indefinitely is surely not an option. How would Microsoft monetize it? By charging subscription like GitHub Copilot, or monetizing it somehow using users data they collected? I assume it would be the latter.

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[–] Dusty@l.dustybeer.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is this supposed to work in countries that have bandwidth caps, or slow internet connections?

It seems like every company these days wants to move everything to the cloud, but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. While something like this makes sense in some instances (like kiosks or similar maybe?) for the vast majority of use cases this is a non-starter.

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[–] Stiltonfondu@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Good luck to them. I’ve been very much enjoying Fedora since Windows 11 came out.

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[–] techie@techy.news 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Microsoft has a track record of having excellent uptime! /s

I find it somewhat funny that this article came out on the day Microsoft 365 had an outage for most of the day.

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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

I want to move Windows fully to the Recycle Bin.

[–] flakusha@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Typical loop in this case:

  • Oh, M$ is so disgusting, I never gonna switch to the new platform!

In a few months/years

  • Well, my apps/hardware are not working, time to switch anyway. Not because it's not working anymore, but because the platform is mature and I actually like it.
[–] MachineTeaching@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

We've seen this spiel a few times, companies want to move to the cloud and then don't because it's ridiculous and plenty of things are just fine on local machines.

I don't lend this any more credence than all the "we'll all be gaming in the cloud in 10 years" crap when stuff like GeForce Now was popping up.

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[–] tackshooter@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just another move toward " you will own nothing and you will be happy". Gotta resist the botnet people, Free software anarchy ftw!

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Moving “Windows 11 increasingly to the cloud” is identified as a long-term opportunity in Microsoft’s “Modern Life” consumer space, including using “the power of the cloud and client to enable improved AI-powered services and full roaming of people’s digital experience.”


Intel and Microsoft have even hinted at Windows 12 in recent months, and Windows chief Panos Panay claimed at CES earlier this year that “AI is going to reinvent how you do everything on Windows.” All of this is part of Microsoft’s broad Windows ambition, detailed in its internal presentation, “to enable improved AI-powered services” in Windows.

Words cannot express how much I do not want to participate in this version of the future.

[–] sculd@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Might finally convince me to move fully to Linux.....

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[–] Satiric_Weasel@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Was already considering running Linux on my next machine. That just made it a definite. Is Mintos still the best choice for an everyday desktop?

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Of course they want to get as many people as possible to pay a monthly fee to use their cloud system. I'm sure they won't be going cloud only anytime soon, but they will keep making each new windows version worse than the previous one.

They won't get a single cent from me. I've been running Linux for the last 15 years. Wine, DXVK, and Proton keep getting better and I can run all of my games in Linux now.

What a terrible fucking idea

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

More reasons to switch to Linux and stay there.

Once you're logged into Windows 365 you're technically using their hardware and just streaming the use to your machine. You will have almost no control over your own device because it isn't actually your own device. Your own device has been turned into a television, a device that just plays what another device is displaying.

This is about property and ownership and how Microsoft wants to take those things away from you. They want full control of how you use their operating system, and when they force users to use their software and hardware, they will acheive it.

[–] staticlifetime@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just another case of "you will own nothing...". Come on over to Linux, where the ISOs are plentiful.

[–] BioDriver@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

As someone who works in cloud services/ops and has to deal with Microsoft partner relations almost daily, good luck with that.

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