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[–] Ketchup@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After I made a few jokes in the comments, I shifted.

One fascinating aspect of Lemmy is that it won't solely be the mods or admins choosing instances they associate with. As a user, you can too, isn't that pretty cool? Let's say in the future you find yourself disagreeing with what a particular instance is promoting or allowing. You have the freedom to join another instance instead. It's empowering to be able to switch instances as a user; just like that meme I imagine dramatic lemmings exclaiming “I’m leaving those gate keepers at X”

This concept signifies that you shouldn't become too attached to the identity of your accounts on a specific instance, which is probably a healthy mindset anyways. It also means that on Lemmy, everyone, including users, admins, and mods, has the flexibility to choose how and with whom they want to associate. Some instances may prioritize user privacy or choose to exclude certain types of content that contradicts their core beliefs. While some may label it as gatekeeping, it's important to recognize that people naturally gravitate towards communities of like-minded individuals.

What's really neat is that as a user, you don't even need to seek approval for this. You can create multiple accounts and join multiple instances, where all that’s required is for you to behave in a manner aligned with the code of ethics or conduct defined by the community. Ultimately that means the power lies in the user's ability to switch instances, to find the best home for themselves. So there is no need to worry what other instances are doing and it adds an interesting dynamic to the overall experience.

[–] Leer10@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm really hoping that someday we'll have a process to enable migration like a DHT and a user private key that allows them to send out a message like "i was user@instance.a but now I'm user@instance.b"... I heard talks about cross-fediverse account linking (maybe like keybase?) So hopefully something like that

[–] Ketchup@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Man, what would be perfect! Because as far as I see it, it’s one of the few inconveniences of federation on the user level, and that kind of aliasing would totally solve it.

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[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My main problem is, that the community I started gets less exposure now. That would be fine, if it was just people on instances like lemmygrad, where people congregate with whom I won't get along, anyway. But the beehaw people are not bad folks.

Heck, even an alt account of a tankie on a different instance might behave completely differently when they're not associated with the tankie account (hence no peer pressure).

With how things stand right now, I can't even do mod things remotely without bugging the community out, so while I personally am not tied to any instance, the community is, and right now, I'm hampered, too, whenever I wear the moderator hat.

I hope there's gonna be solutions for this some day, that let us move instances around. Communities are the reason people don't go elsewhere, it's probably also the reason many redditors don't leave that place.

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[–] DLSchichtl@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, defederation. Simultaneously the "nuclear option" and also "it won't actually do anything"

It is funny that the tankies over on lemmygrad got defederated in a heartbeat, Meta would get instantly defederated for being Corporate, but there is "valuable discussion" on EH. I mean seriously, I want a mod response on why one is verboten but the righty whiteys are a-okay. If you are gonna be a home for alt right trash then don't lie about it!

[–] tobor@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's unfortunate. I got yelled at for saying fascists and Nazis should be deplatformed. Someone literally tried to "whatabout if we did that to LGBT people" me. I'm trying different instances in good faith, but the ones that hold that kind of logic aren't going to last long.

[–] goforliftoff@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, see, nazis hate Jews (and people of color, and leftists, and…), and LGBT people, uh, well, you see, they uh… anyway you can’t block one and not block the other. See what I mean?

/s. Also, fuck off nazi punks.

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

Ah gotta love that argument

"We can't deplatform Nazis, we need to be a tolerant group."

"They literally want us dead and are doing their best to make our existence illegal, tolerating that is not an option."

Tolerance is a peace treaty, and the more people who understand that the better.

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[–] Re4mstr@lemmy.re4mstr.com 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have my own empty instance!

All the power, all to myself...

[–] Captain_Jimmy_T_Kirk@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you considered defederating everyone for the dopamine hit?

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jokes aside, I feel like if the dopamine hit of merely browsing Lemmy and finding posts and communities you like, and enjoying good debates does not exceed the hit for defederating everyone, then you're doing it wrong.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

Few things compare to the dopamine hit of actually participating in a conversation with people

Especially in a smaller community like this

It's pretty chill

[–] bilb@lem.monster 5 points 1 year ago
[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How well does it work in practice? Is that on your home LAN or a real public server instance? How much storage and growth for serving just you?

[–] Re4mstr@lemmy.re4mstr.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have my instance publically available, and been using Lemmy through it since. I have a couple of local communities (non-private) that I hope people start using, but hard being discovered, it seems.

Started out with 1.6G usage day one, and since then I have grown to 1.96G.

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[–] Antik@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love the fact that even here, the mods having power over nothing gets to their heads.

Really has that reddit flavor, you know?

[–] Discoslugs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those internet points be drivin them wild.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

scratching arm

"Where's the karma man, I need my karma.

I gotta make my points higher than anyone else, how else am I supposed to prove I'm better than other people"

screams shit posts into the void

[–] neardeaf@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yup. I was here originally, went to beehaw, they defederated from lemmy.world where most of my subscriptions were… back to lemmy.ml lol

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They also defederated from sh.itjust.works, but I got a community to care for here, so I just made some "alts".

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Funnily enough I started on Beehaw and when they defederated I went to Blajah

I'm here for a meme time and hopefully some communities that were popping off in Lemmy World

Blajah's pretty chill

Edit: Don't get me wrong though, I agree with their decision I just wanted to still be apart of communities I had already decided to join.

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[–] Wander@yiffit.net 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] shutuuplegs@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago

Neocon/trumpers/racists are coming on various federated lemmy systems. Once there they are posting rando crap and pushing people to ignore the basic requirements most lemmy system admins have setup. No hate, no bigotry, no racism.

[–] ShlorpianMafia@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's probably about how beehaw defederated lemmy.world or something

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Beehaw didn't defederate because .world is a cesspool. There were a handful of idiots trolling, using .world accounts (and sh.itjust.works), and Beehaw cut contact until the mod tools are up to the task.

Yes, the behaviour of a few hurt a large number of people, but they knew no better way to solve it. It's also not a permanent defed, just a bandaid fix until the tools are better.

[–] Captain_Jimmy_T_Kirk@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm new to the fediverse, but isn't it sort of shooting themselves in the foot to defederate the biggest instance so far?

[–] bilb@lem.monster 15 points 1 year ago

Depends on what the goals of the instance admins are.

[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The entire value proposition of the fediverse is that you can defederate rather than being stuck under the same roof as you would on a centralized platform.

The only people I see complaining about this are on the defederated instances, the Beehaw users seem to be generally happy with the change.

[–] goforliftoff@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

…the Beehaw users seem to be generally happy with the change.

Maybe? I honestly don’t know, but it seems like it would be hard for them to tell…? If I understand things correctly, Beehaw defederates (what a word…) and now no one sees posts / communities from, say, sh.itjust.works, right? So no one really knows what they’re missing if they’re on Beehaw? Please correct me if I’m wrong, as that could easily be the case.

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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] WorkIsSlow@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They are curating their instance in a particular way which is the very thing that the fediverse and lemmy allows for. Some people are butthurt that they aren't included.

The slightly more detailed explanation is that there has been a big increase in bots and trolls and due to a lack of moderation tools they opted for defederating with instances that conflicted with their goal. That goal seems to be an easy going and tolerant community. By nature this goal means that it will be a smaller community and for some reason that has angered people.

[–] Tetsuo666@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, reading the comments of some out there regarding this issue. I'm starting to think that they did the right choice.

It doesn't take long to find fairly rude or insulting content regarding this.

Most people have no reason to care if a small instance decided to sail away.

It's disappointing because I think this platform is already turning into reddit in term of tone/aggressiveness.

And it's not even just comments, it's upvoting memes that are genuinely rude or targeting a specific community. I don't like the way this is going.

[–] WorkIsSlow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I completely understand why people would want a tighter instance. I started using Reddit significantly less awhile ago because a good chunk of the content and comments were either misinformed, malicious, or both. I'm hopeful that large instances can foster friendlier and healthier cultures, but right now I'm seeing so many people willing to make excuses for assholes and blaming the people that don't want to deal with those assholes.

[–] XanXic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most people have no reason to care if a small instance decided to sail away.

They weren't a small instance though. They had pretty much established all of the default subs and then when they had like the top 10 largest communities on all of Lemmy they decided to start threatening defederating servers, closed their registration, and taking the largest communities away from them. Pretty much right as Lemmy was starting to build up some momentum essentially the largest instance was like "time to establish dominance and flex our power"

They've apparently defederated from 400 servers and still have 4 of the top 10 largest communities. Like yeah defederation is a tool of Lemmy but their using it like a threat and now they are demanding other instances follow their lead if they want re-federated. Then they try to boohoo about how running the largest subs with 4 mods is infeasible with the current tools and that's everyone else's fault.

Like Lemmy is barely off the ground and there's already power mods and they are already trying to control the whole thing.

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[–] Antik@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

They are curating their instance in a particular way which is the very thing that the fediverse and lemmy allows for. Some people are butthurt that they aren’t included.

But we also are allowed to laugh at them, right?

[–] HerrLewakaas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Seems to me like they're not really fit for the fediverse if they are just gonna defederate everyone, but whatever, they have every right to do it

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They aren't defederating everyone. They are selectively defederating the instances they don't like. Or selectively federating the instances they do like. Which is exactly how the fediverse is meant to work.

If you like the instances they don't like, or vice versa, then you should make your account on an instance other than theirs. Which is also how the fediverse is meant to work.

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[–] Zetaphor@zemmy.cc 10 points 1 year ago

The ability to defederate anyone is literally what defines federation. There is no "the fediverse" unilaterally, that's the entire point.

I hate to see that people are so disturbed at what others are doing on another community@instance that simply blocking it on their account isn’t enough. Nonsensical. And the logical conclusion is producing nothing more than a Reddit clone with many of the same weaknesses.

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It did a time ago btw, because Lemmy.world don't gatekeep enough.

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[–] hawkwind@lemmy.management 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At least we get lemmy flavoured drama. It's not as bitter as Reddit's.

[–] HerrLewakaas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

almost as if that's just human behavior

Don't talk to me or my worker bees ever again!

[–] Yoz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Lol kinda true

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