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Just to temper the backlash a bit. The community has 10 members, and is being brigaded/downvoted by the sh.itjust.works community at large. Whether or not they should allow it as admins is a fair question. But it seems clear, at least for now, the wider sh.itjust.works community isn't on board. I still hope to re-federate with them some day when moderator tools are better, and federation can be more granular.

This "defederate at the slightest sign of trouble" mindset is dangerous. It's not like sh.itjust.works endorsed that terrible community they just happened to temporary set up there before they were banned.

If you just block every instance that hosts a community you disagree with, beehaw will end up completely isolated. This isn't necessarily a problem, but don't try to pretend you're part of the federation at that point.

WOW.

This is really a microcosm of the problem of "free speech communities." They wind up being infested with trolls and Nazis.

The only plausible reasoning for the admin not banning this community is they don't mind it. Glad Beehaw is not federated with a place like that.

Good to hear they just deleted it at the very least, what a stupid decision allowing a community like that on any lemmy instance is. You might as well just throw a box of spanners into the gears, or throw lit matches into a peat bog.

Urgh, great. I know I'm stating the obvious but we really don't need The_Donald on here.

It's really an issue with how the fediverse handles communities. On Reddit each sub had its own moderation/governance structure which I think fits the role of an "instance" best. Here, each instance has a variety of communities which may overlap with other instance.

I.e. banning an instance for having community X impacts community Z who may also dislike X.

Without ripping up the floorboards, I suspect the answer is instances having community-level granularity in blocking. So one can block: The_Donald@*, *@sh.itjust.works, or most narrowly The_Donald@sh.itjust.works

That's why I left that instance. I tried to explain the paradox of tolerance but they refused to listen. They didn't want "censorship" of their "free speech". I don't have the patience to watch people learn the same lesson that has been learned over and over again all throughout history, in millions of different contexts. It's always the same thing that will happen because sheeps keep thinking it's "healthy" to have "discussions" with "dissenting" hungry wolves.

Glad they deleted it, but I am also glad that the mods saw this possibility and acted proactively before that shit could accidentally make its way onto our timelines. Beehaw is an intentionally safe space - that is much more of a stated goal than protecting libertarian "free-speech" or having an expansive presence on the threadiverse.

Even a single negative or hateful post showing up can have a profoundly negative and harmful effect on the community. We need to take this shit seriously and I am so so so thankful to have mods who are unafraid to act boldly here.

If you want an instance that is 100% reactive to hate speech and prioritizes your access to other instances at the potential risk of other instance members, maybe Beehaw ain't the place for you (and that's ok!)

I'm perfectly OK with Beehaw de-fedding from 75%+ of all lemmy inatances, including very large and popular ones, if it means keeping this space consistently free of hate. We are a community, not a platform.

Much love!

I do not agree with that at all, as a user you can block that community or the entire instance, but I do not want anyone to make that decision for me, I am an adult and I know how to distinguish toxic speech, but I also like to read ideas other than mine, however different and controversial they may be, I think that makes me think more about my own ideas and arguments. I would block blatant spam and clearly intentional fake news, but always to specific communities and never entire instances

It is my opinion of course, for that there are different instances, to moderate each one in its own way. But I think if you massively block out everything you don't like, you'll end up in a room full of mirrors.

Looks like Beehaw was indeed the perfect fit and best instance to join. Though it is troubling how many shits like this have joined the Fediverse.

Update: the admin deleted it :)

Theres also a discussion at https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310

One of shitjustworks admins just replied:

He still thinks TD could grow into something beautiful...

Thanks for the post! Just defederated from my instance too, they violate our code of conduct.

No instance should allow misinformation or hate under the guise of "free speech".

Can they just fuck off already? Ugh. I got sick of that shit on Reddit, they do not need to bring it here.

I see they deleted it. I wonder what is the best way to deal with these groups spreading this hateful messaging. If organizations and people keep deleting and censoring them, doesn't that just further radicalize them?

Their whole movement revolves around there being a conspiracy against what they are saying. When they get censored it feeds into their confirmation bias and further affirms their viewpoint thus making them think that they need to take more aggressive aka terrorist action.

While I know it's an unpopular opinion, I think groups like this are better dealt with engagement and education. The censoring and ridicule being thrown around further polarizes places like the US even further than they are.

If we keep censoring groups I can't imagine anything good coming from it. Their hate will just get stronger and more justified in their eyes.

We blocked and removed that 'community' indeed..

OK, anyone can create a community on that instance so this is not yet a reflection of their values. HOWEVER, if that instance is still there after a bit it DOES say a lot about that instance and specially about the admins