this post was submitted on 13 Mar 2024
125 points (94.3% liked)

News

23296 readers
3925 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.

2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.

3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.

4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.

5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.

6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.

7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.

8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.

9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.

10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
rjc@lemmy.world
Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world
dezmd@lemmy.world
Tenthrow@lemmy.world
JonsJava@lemmy.world
gedaliyah@lemmy.world
Blackbeard@lemmy.world
little_cow@lemmy.world
jeffw@lemmy.world
enu@lemmy.world
125
LGBTQ+ Identification in U.S. Now at 7.6% (news.gallup.com)
submitted 8 months ago by Wilshire@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world
27 comments fedilink hide all child comments
top 27 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I skimmed the article and noticed that women are more likely to identify as LGBTQ+, and I wonder if that’s related to the fact that more and more men are becoming conservative, and women are becoming more liberal.

I know I wouldn’t have thought about queerness and my identity if I was conservative, I probably would have thought something silly like “Oh, it’s perfectly normal to be romantically attracted to some men, you eventually grow out of it” instead of asking myself “Am I bi?”

I probably would have also associated my discomfort with my own masculinity with something weird, or over-compensated to account for it.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Nah, it's just women are more likely to admit same sex attraction even if it's occasional.

For men regardless of political orientation, most men wouldn't act on it, and if they do they keep it a secret.

Women get less judgement for it.

So it makes sense men would be underrepresented in surveys.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think it has to do with judgement mostly. I bet all those “straight” guys I’ve met off Grindr don’t identify as LGBT, even though they… did gay things.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

not gay if you're just pitching

also have to say no homo afterwards

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

not gay if you’re just pitching

Wow they really did retvrn to tradition - this is how the Romans approached it too!

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe that explains why they're always thinking about the Roman Empire?

[–] GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social 5 points 8 months ago

Ugh, I had finally managed to get Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon out of my head and now you've managed to put images of Pompeii's bustling sex economy in my mind. 🙄

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

retvrn

I see what you did there

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You see it in professional sport. Lots of openly lesbian women in pro soccer teams. Only one or two notably out of the closet gay active pro soccer players in the world.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

I think that's a selection, bias, though. I'd bet more gay women tend to play sports like soccer or softball than gay men go to play football or baseball.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

“Oh, it’s perfectly normal to be romantically attracted to some men, you eventually grow out of it”

Why do you think so many conservatives believe it's a choice? They think that everyone has to repress it like they do.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

and supposedly they are everywhere in society taking over lol

[–] cricketyrickets@midwest.social 9 points 8 months ago

The gay agenda™️

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

How many gays are out there? No one knows. 10000? 20000? 30000 since obama is in office

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I wish we could stop focusing so much on the labels people give themselves. Pretty much any label you could give a person only describes a tiny fraction of what their experience of life is like and yet it feels like that kind of thing is the focus of most reporting on just about any subject as well as the primary way a lot of people identify themselves. I think it contributes significantly to the division we see in all aspects of society. We seem to have a natural tendency to use those labels in a negative way instead of as the helpful descriptor that they are largely intended to be. Let's try to focus on the fact that we're all humans for a while and maybe we'll feel a bit better for it.

[–] Dabundis@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I feel where you're coming from, and on the other side of that I think labels can do a lot of good. There's a lot of relief and comfort that comes when someone who might otherwise have thought themself broken discovering that there are more out there like them. Finding a label that resonates can get them there. I'm speaking from firsthand experience.

[–] Oka@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Like you're saying, it's not that we're labeling ourselves, but that we're spreading awareness on multiple levels: LGBTQIA+ folks are sprinkled in our population. If someone goes their life without knowing any, or seeing any, they might feel alone and outcast.

I'm an Asexual male and I represent in my day to day with just a themed baseball hat.

[–] Dabundis@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Also an asexual male - thank you for representing, it really is appreciated

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago

I identify as a hot mess and represent by flirting with almost anyone to bolster what's left of my broken fragile ego.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Labels can be useful for quickly explaining an aspect about yourself. It's what words are for! It's when people are all judgy about it that problems arise.

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Most queer people I know and have talked to agree with you. I certainly do, labels can be useful but as a society we clearly focus way too much on them.

Where queer people might take issue with your comment (I'm definitely lightly irked) is that cishet people never say "I wish we would stop focusing on labels" unless the discussion is about queer labels.

People will straight up say "omg we need to chill out about labels, we're all the same" then turn around and say shit like "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" or "boys will be boys".

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

I don't think the same person is saying both of those things. Or at least saying and meaning it.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Where queer people might take issue with your comment (I'm definitely lightly irked) is that cishet people never say "I wish we would stop focusing on labels" unless the discussion is about queer labels.

That's exactly what I'm saying though. Labels (for the purposes of the point I'm trying to make) aren't generally helpful except as a generic indicator of the prevalence of a particular group in society. Even then they tend to get in the way of the discussion that those labels and percentages are trying to promote.

Any group trends towards latching on to their label in an unhelpful way. Often saying that anyone who isn't making the advancement of the group described by their favorite label a priority in their life is an enemy of the cause and therefore is against them personally.

It doesn't really matter what the label is. LGB and T are some common labels you see this happening with, from both angles I'll add, but they are far from the only ones. You see it with large groups like countries and political parties all the way down to mundane stuff like being right handed or which band you prefer in some hyper-obscure music genre. It's all the same mostly unnecessary categorization of people that generally serves no useful purpose beyond making one group of people feel superior to another. That just seems so pointless to me. It reminds me of hunter gatherers protecting their tribe by ensuring no outsiders are allowed in.

I will concede that there are instances in which in can be useful to speak in such terms but the vast majority of the time it seems archaic and shallow and needlessly exclusionary.

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

The queer version of "I don't see color."

[–] stoneparchment@possumpat.io 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I know you're at least partially talking about labels in general, but since this is in reply to a poll about queer identities, I am taking your comment to be related to LGBTQ+ labels.

I don't think most individuals with an LGBTQ+ identity think of themselves as only that identity. Race, class, religion, ability, and other dimensions of identity ultimately combine to create the whole person. In fact, most discourse surrounding identities involves some analysis of intersectionality, as coined by Kimberle Crenshaw. In essence, she illustrated how being both black and a woman brings different experiences and struggles than being a white woman or black man. As an extension, the queer identity a person has and the other identities a person has interact to inform their experiences in ways that are different than having any one of those identities alone.

If some people externally equate a queer person's whole self and their queer identity, that isn't the fault of the queer person. In fact, this is another reason why having a label (as inadequate as it might objectively be) can be useful. Queer people need those labels so they can maneuver in society to build coalition and obtain equal rights. If we squabbled over the differences between subjective experiences of queerness, our groups would be smaller and have less bargaining power.

I might be way off about what you meant in your statement, but i figured it was worth throwing this out here anyway!

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I wasn't referring exclusively to queer people with my comment but I get why it might have seemed that way. I do appreciate your perspective either way. It's interesting to hear other people's thoughts on a topic like this.

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

Are you familiar with erasure as a concept?