I was alive, conscious and sentient on Jan 6th. No further convincing is required.
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You may be underestimating the cognitive dissonance that many carry.
I also suspect that there is a bit of the "undecided voter" thing going on here. To be undecided, you have to have never paid attention to anything, have no personality, or be incompetent.
I think ignorance can also be added in, ive known quite a few people who are ignorant to the facts either due to will, their culture/circumstances, or just not having the time to put into it. Not really a proper excuse for damages since ignorance of something doesnt stop said action, but folks can always strive to be better.
There's collective conscience to deal with as well. We collectively have a terrible memory and it's constantly being poisoned with mis/disinformation.
Trump did a pretty good job of convincing me he was guilty (watching this particular crime live on TV will kind of do that), but it's nice Jack Smith is reaching the people in the back of the class.
He’s that one kid in class who has to take homework lessons to the sick kid who can’t come to school.
Bruh, my eyes and ears convinced me long ago.
If you need jack smith to do that, you’ve never seen trump do or talk about anything.
The thing that bakes my noodle about J6 is that I wonder if the right wing would still have been able to spin it if the Capitol Police had been less effective and the crowd had gotten their hands on Members of Congress. Watching Congressmen and women get taken hostage, assaulted, or possibly killed on live television would have upped the stakes considerably. Still not sure if it would have been enough to overcome Trump's widespread support and/or the spin machine that enables him.
"Mostly peaceful with a few bad apples (who were actually Antifa)" already worked, and I'm not sure even more graphic and horrifying footage would have changed things on the right. They already condemned Trump immediately after J6, then reversed course when the base stayed with him.
Would have been able to spin it? For sure! There is no bottom with these folks. Given their druthers they will eventually recreate the holocaust. They deserve no benefit of the doubt. Problem with the left is positive projection. Because we could never be that evil we assume others cant as well.
Speak for yourself, I could be plenty evil if I had the ability. Hell if I had a nuke id be at an impass of whether to glass Moscow or Salt lake city. My reasoning being blowing up Moscow would fuck up Russia and maybe get them to stop invading people and blowing up Salt lake city would piss off the Mormons.
Every day I'm on lemmy I get less convinced about the merits of democracy.
And statistically this hive of scum and villainy should be above average in wisdom.
....A leftist person saying the left can't be evil is either stupid, a liar, or possibly both if he thinks anyone believes that.
The modern left can't be evil. Its most radical elements are too far removed from power. We are in no danger of a Maoist purge any time soon.
What a person or philosophy is, still is, whether or not it has the ability.
Why do they make it sound like Jack Smith himself is attempting to do that?
.... he is the prosecutor, it's his job.
Because Newsweek is trash. I don’t know how or why but links to this publication are rampant on Lemmy.
General rule 1: Read with a fine tooth comb and you’ll find decent reporting about two thirds of the way through a Newsweek article.
General rule 2: Any news outlet with a comment section is more concerned about getting people to spend time on their site to sell ads than they are neutrally informing the public.
I wonder at what point newsweek became this trash. I do remember about 20 years ago, we used printed Newsweek magazines in our english curiculum in school as a tool to learn a foreign language, but at no point were it's articles anywhere near as bad is they are on their website.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek
Merger with The Daily Beast (2010–2013)
Spin-off to IBT Media, return to print (2013–2018)
Newsweek Publishing LLC (2018–present)
In 2020, Newsweek's website hit 100 million unique monthly readers, up from seven million at the start of 2017. In 2021, its revenues doubled to $75 million and traffic increased to 48 million monthly unique visitors in May 2022 from about 30 million in May 2019 according to Comscore.
What the Hell Is Going on at Newsweek? (February 5, 2018)
https://splinternews.com/what-the-hell-is-going-on-at-newsweek-1822742941
While the magazine still produces in-depth reporting and the occasional scoop, staffers said the parent company had gone on a hiring spree last fall, grouping mostly young writers into a breaking news team of more than 20 staffers. These reporters are tasked with churning out an unheard of level of content for massive web traffic.
One staffer on that team told Splinter they’re getting paid less than $40,000 a year. Breaking news writers are expected to draw 1 million page views a month, they said, with traffic bonuses starting thereafter. “We get chastised if we don’t [meet 1 million page views],” they said, “and get assigned garbage, clickbait articles to compensate.”
How Newsweek Has Gone Down the Far-Right Rabbit Hole (Nov. 05, 2022) - The Daily Beast
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-newsweek-has-gone-down-the-far-right-rabbit-hole
The once-esteemed magazine has been reduced to a soapbox for the far right, a new study reveals, thanks to a MAGA activist running the opinions page.
I didn't realize it was so bad until it became the de facto source for all Lemmy articles.
I think Newsweek was the first magazine I ever subscribed to as an adult. I really miss news magazine delivery.
Jack Smith has given me some small hope that maybe the rich & powerful can be made to answer for their crimes, but given the shenanigans getting pulled by the judge in that case, I'm not so sure.
How about la girl Fani Willis and the Georgia crew, they trying too.
I do wish Fani had worried less about her fanny and more about the case, though.
Fani fucked up big time. Apologists will come out and try to say that she handled it perfectly, but no, there shouldn't have been a scandal to handle in the first place. These cases need to be airtight inside and out, and this was an incredibly stupid, easy to avoid issue. The Georgia case is arguably the most important because it's a state crime. Regardless of the case itself, Fani already lost in the court of public opinion.
Jack Smith is only responsible for 2 out of 4 of those cases, if I recall correctly. Misleading headline.
Why do we need convincing outside the law? If the guy is guilty of whatever, sentence him and be done with it.
"If" he's guilty? Haaahahaha
What do you mean outside the law? We're talking about a Federal prosecutor, who is in the process of Prosecuting the case. This literally is the law.
Yes
I am distressed by the trend in news of reporting what a new Politico-Ipsos poll shows as if it were highly relevant information
A better way to write this story would be "Only half of Americans believe Donald Trump is guilty even though he clearly is." Fuck it, let him sue for defamation if he can find and pay some lawyers, I'd be happy to prove in court that he is in fact guilty as my way of defending myself.