And everyone posting attention to some millionaires in their submarine doing this as an option instead of as a need to get a better life, escape hunger or poverty.
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Possible rescue story is more interesting than hundreds dead. It’s sad but we hear about death all the time at this point.
TBF the boat disaster could have been a rescue story as well if someone cared enough. There are two major countries naval fleets in the Atlantic, whereas the story is much different in the Mediterranean.
Capitalism at its finest
Europe has been dealing with illegal migrants just like this for decades. It's not a new story. The arguments have been made a million times already. Governments argue they need to stop these illegal crossing because they're dangerous, and they're shouted down by activists who believe there are no borders or something. There are billions of poor people in the world. They can't all fit in Europe. I'm sorry, but not every poor person deserves the right to life-long social security in a European country. We would collapse.
Honestly this sort of smug superiority cloaked in a thousand years of oppression is so fucking obnoxious.
Why is Europe so rich? What allows you to afford those social systems? Could it have been the systematic pillaging of the economies of the places whose refugees you now so smugly ‘decline’ helping.
The way you frame keeping people from dying at sea as some great burden to the state is fucking disgusting.
You fucking disgust me, frankly.
You have to admit it is more complicated than that though. It's more complicated than jas describes too.
Is enabling people trafficking by having a fleet of boats hanging out on the libian coast really going to save more people than ending the practice all together?
It's absolutely true that countless other things should be done to help the poor around the world, but I genuinely don't see how encouraging masses of people to set out to sea in sinking boats helps anything at all?
Why is Europe so rich?
Democracy, free speech, rule of law, the Enlightenment, less corruption, a proletarian work ethic, secularism, and more. The fact that you people think the only reason the West is doing well is because of acts from hundreds of years ago demonstrates such a superficial understanding of history it boggles the mind. Ethiopia and Liberia were never colonised, yet they perform just as well as all the other colonised African nations. This demonstrates that colonisation alone is clearly only one of many factors impacting prosperity in the region. As someone who grew up in Africa, allow me to explain how nations are run: corruption. In Nigeria, for example, where I have some experience, it's not even called "corruption." It's just how they do business and politics. "Gift giving" is just good manners. With such a set of values in place, you should not have any doubts about the reason for the lack of African prosperity.
I should remind you that all African nations have practised various forms of colonisation and slavery throughout history. Depending on the definition of the word, very few nations on Earth have not. Your Noble Savages trope is as tiresome as it is factually incorrect. At some point these nations will have to take responsibility for their current circumstances. Blaming other nations won't solve their problems, and we're going to close the doors soon.
Jesus Christ I actually hate you. This smug, know-nothing (in every sense) bullshit is why everyone hates Europeans.
Literal white supremacist talking points, too. So that’s cool.
Europe invents fascism, racism, homophobia, has nonstop wars for thousands of years, still has kings but y’all motherfuckers try to pretend you’re the bastion of all that’s good in the world.
Fuck. Off.
You sound like a toddler having a temper tantrum. Are you used to echo chambers where everyone agrees with you?
Make like your leader fascist scum
300 Pakistanis capsize, the world: "I sleep"
3 billionaires and a con man build world worst submarine and sink, the world: "Real shit."
Clown world.
Oh look, a submarine!
Where? I just see a crushed pop can...
The article doesn't say they were illegal immigrants, did you make that part up?
Greek here, they were illegal immigrants. They were helpless people in a boat with a broken engine. They were people fleeing from a war. They were people that didn't ask for help fearing pushbacks, concetration camps, and police abuse. They were people the coast guard stood and watched them die for 3 days.
It's not illegal to flee a war.
but it is illegal to enter a country without coming through customs, which is exactly what happened
What war were they fleeing?
Pakistan is not engaged in any hot conflicts currently... These people are economic refugees.
It certainly implied it :
The chairman of of Pakistan’s Senate, Muhammad Sadiq Sanjrani, disclosed the numbers in a statement Sunday, sending condolences to grieving families of the dead. “Our thoughts and prayers are with you, and we pray that the departed souls find eternal peace,” Sanjrani said. “This devastating incident underscores the urgent need to address and condemn the abhorrent act of illegal human trafficking.”
Human trafficking is illegal but is not illegal to seek asylum.
I know and I agree. Thats why I left it at "implied".
Legal immigrants usually don't come on a shitty boat
"Legal immigrants" includes asylum seekers.
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