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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

If only Israel had the smallest amount of respect for Biden, this might mean something.

And yeah, the president of America doesn't need to be respected by foreign genocidal bigots, but since Biden won't stop giving them my tax money, he could at least stop letting Bibi treat him like a little bitch in public.

Ideally we'd give all their scheduled aid to Palestine tho.

[–] Hazzia@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Man, this made me think back to how this all began, and goddamn how bad you gotta fuck up to be the victim nation of a terrorist attack and STILL have the vast majority of rational people not want to have anything to do with you.

Bibi baby playing right into Hamas's hands by going full genocidal maniac and having the entire first world look at him saying "what the fuck bro calm down" exactly like they said would happen

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is terrorist playbook 101

Pick times and ways of attacking a bunch of innocent people that will provoke a violent response from some slaughter-happy government that will drive your support and recruitment. You get lots of donations and support, you get to have your war you were thirsting for and you get to be a hero, and the rivers of blood that ensue don't have to be your fault, in your own mind at least.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

And if you're a slaughter-happy government you gladly oblige them because it will keep your population scared and voting for you.

Bibi and Hamas have a long history together for this reason. They're two sides of the same shit coin.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Oblige them and make sure they get funding

We should sanction the Israeli government for funding terrorism, and let them try to justify why money to Hamas is ok as long as they're the ones doing it.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ideally we'd give all their scheduled aid to Palestine tho.

This is my favorite fucking idea

Like the whole Israeli cabinet and 80% of the US political spectrum erupts in absolute pandemonium because Hamas just got 15 billion dollars with no restrictions on how they want to spend it, beyond the obvious necessity of spending some on food and bedrock-level infrastructure and vague pronouncements about minimizing civilian casualties

And then Anthony Blinken can sort of shrug and say "Well we can always talk about a cease-fire, if you're worried about things getting violent. How does that sound? They already said they'd be okay with that."

[–] sugarfree@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hamas is not a poor organization, they have many revenue sources including taxes, crime, direct payments from friendly Arab countries, and pilfered aid money. More money for Hamas isn't going to be the difference maker that puts them on the same level as the military of Israel.

And then Anthony Blinken can sort of shrug and say “Well we can always talk about a cease-fire, if you’re worried about things getting violent. How does that sound? They already said they’d be okay with that.”

This is just a fantasy of yours, and quite a strange one tbh.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It is pure fantasy; it'll never happen, and I agree with you that Hamas is a deeply corrupt terrorist organization which wouldn't do good things with 15 billion dollars. They also, incidentally, get some funding from the Israeli government, because the Israeli government likes having a wild and violent adversary that will do bad things which will give them justification for the horrifying things they were planning on doing anyway to the Palestinians.

I don't think it's strange though. It is a natural reaction to seeing someone get the shit kicked out of them for years and years and the satisfaction of imagining them suddenly being on equal footing with their bully and the bully's shock and alarm at being subjected to a fair fight. Is that strange? To me it's not strange.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Netanyahu told Fox News Channel that Israel never would have called for a new U.S. election after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and he denounced Schumer’s comments as inappropriate.

You know what pisses me off the most about this? AIPAC is absolutely shameless about trying to give the axe to any American politician that tries to mess with Israel. They interfere in our democracy all the time, and it's public and open on all sides that that's a big part of Israel's weirdly revered status in American foreign policy. It is not in a way that's technically illegal, but it's definitely in a way that makes it the height of hypocrisy for them to complain if we're turning around and influencing "yo we gotta get rid of this guy from your government, he threatened our interests" back at them, for the first time that I know of.

Edit: Actually, forget what I said elsewhere about funding the Palestinians with Israel's aid package. My new favorite idea is to start an organization called IAPAC which gives millions or billions of dollars to run their campaign to any Israeli politician who wants to run against Netanyahu.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

On the other hand, I was calling for a new vote before the 9/11 attacks, because GWB didn’t win that election.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

😢

Somewhere there is a parallel world where left-wing activists mobbed Washington the way Roger Stone mobbed Miami-Dade, Al Gore fought his way to the presidency, we took strong action on climate change 24 years ago, 9/11 quietly never happened because he took the intelligence warnings seriously, no Iraq War, no Abu Ghraib or Guantanemo Bay, no Afghanistan, no 2008 theft of everyone's pensions by the bankers, we're all driving electric cars and eating locally sourced vegetables right now instead of wondering if our kids will ever buy a house or our grandkids will live to adulthood.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago

Or all of that but instead of electric cars the US massively invested in matching China, Germany, and Japan in high speed rail technology and we’re zipping around on trains that have a cruising speed of 300+ mph.

[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Netanyahu told Fox News Channel that Israel never would have called for a new U.S. election after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and he denounced Schumer’s comments as inappropriate.

Ngl I didn’t read the rest of your comment but, wow, what a weak argument. I bet the majority of the American public now wishes they would have, dummy!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 6 months ago

Fuck Netanyahu and fuck Israel.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

Sir Bibi please do the Genocide more quiet this is bad for my votes :( hope I didn't offend you kind regards and have some more secret bombs - Biden.