"send to landfill".
No. Just because it can't run newer Windows versions doesn't automatically mean it gets catapulted to the landfill
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When I was a residential garbage collector, I saved close to a dozen computers from the landfill that just needed a quick cleaning. A lot of people will get rid of their year old Alienware once it fills with cat hair.
80% will.
Doesn't mean it won't either - most people won't realise the computer is still usable, either by workarounds or installing a different OS - they'll either trash the PC, recycle or sell it. Or keep using it not caring that its complaining constantly that it's out of support. (And when they do, it's "how can I get rid of this annoying error" not "how can I update this?" - they probably didn't even read the error - and god forbid you manage to do the update, they won't like it if you do)
Hell most people don't even know Linux even exists, and a lot of them couldn't even tell me what their operating system name is.
I've had relatives that try to ask what's going on and say "I have 11" without elaborating that it's windows 11. I remember years ago my aunt said I have version 97. Referring to, at the time the totally unrelated fact that she had Office 97 installed on her winXP machine. Took me ages to work out what she actually meant.
I foresee rise in selfhosted sector because of cheap hardware
Actually happen. An i5 with 4 cores + 8 GB Ram and a 256 GB SSD for something like 100 bucks. Years before we paid this for a raspberry.
If its a laptop, then it has a built-in UPS as well. Plus extra peripherals are not needed either!
People are still running Win7 without pause. Don't kid yourself!
„No update? So no more forced restart? Neat“
No more forced junk and changes I have to undo? My computer can stay the exact way I like it for a long period of time without Microsoft fucking it up? Sounds like a dream.
"
Hi.
Due to the embedded insecurity of our system we are forced to upgrade all of Earth's computers as remediation. While you sit tight for updates, all computers will run at half speed. Once the new chipsets are available, you may purchase them on a subscription basis.
Your desktop is almost ready...
Just finishing up...
"
Anyone else remember Meltdown and Spectre 2018?
This is a meme about enterprise equipment lifecycles.
Huge corporate entities with machine inventory counts in the hundreds of thousands aren’t going to give a shit about trying to upcycle old hardware - they just want it to not be their problem anymore.
I predict there will be a few companies that pop up to refurbish the hardware and sell it as a thin client solution. Places like call centers live on refurb equipment and are moving to a vdi infrastructure.
Thin client for windows 12 🧠
W11 and anything after it simply does not support any intel cpu before 10th gen, or (with a handful of exceptions) any AMD cpu before the 3000 series.
Edit: serious question: are W12 thin clients allowed to not have a TPM module? Or does that not actually matter for a thin client? I had assumed all machines involved had to have that capability, be it host or client.
E2: clearly I need to learn more about thin clients and related infra
🤔 I'm going out on a limb here and assuming you don't know what a thin client is and that there are rumors windows 12 will be a cloud product?
If you knew that already though, then I'm puzzled by your comment.
My dad's friend was still running a 486 until last year. It did his spreadsheet.
Windows 7 is the only good version since XP, not even joking.
I agree with you bit 10 was still usable. When 11 hit and I saw the future, I abandoned dual boot.
Still rocking my Amiga 500 and Performa 450. Post your old junk:
Homelab go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
me and the boys gaming with new to us 7700k's in 2026
Okay, but it's still bad for the environment if nobody picks them up
Thats assuming that people are actually going to throw their computers in the trash when the OS reaches end of life.
Most people running these old machines probably won't know or care.
They'll definitely know. Microsoft's last update for Windows 10 will make sure to add as many notices, popups and scary alerts as possible.
And as a result plenty will care, particularly those who aren't tech savvy. If you've got relatives for whom you are their go-to IT person, be prepared.
That's assuming they even read the message and don't just close out of it instantly.
Them: "I keep getting an error message." Me: "What's it say." Them: "I don't remember."
I love me some cheap hardware to put Linux on it. It is a good feeling, plus less ewaste.
Exactly. Just bought a Dell with an i5 9500 for €200. That'll be my new home server. I just hope more people get wise to how cheaply you can run a setup with a little bit of getting informed.
Windows 11 doing this is more ewaste not less. It's more ewaste even if 100% of the existing stock gets reused because some (many?) of those computers will get replaced with new ones.
Windows hits end of life in 2025 you say? Welp.
Well everyone is still going to be using Windows 10
Now imagine if PC was invented after "post-PC"/iPhone era and you will need a different OS build for every model and there were "promises" of Windows updates for each machine after which it cannot be longer updated. Also basically computers would have locked bootloaders or void warianty when a system is touched.
I wonder how many phones could be saved from the landfill for the last 10 years if there were supported by Linux.
You can get ARM builds of Linux. I have never tried them so can't speak to how well they work on a phone.
Just running Linux is one thing, but making it working with anything outside the CPU like the motherboard onboard chips and other components is a different task.
Check out a table of what works on one of the Linux distro targetting phones: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices
There is no phone with fully working hardware and most barely booting and showing console.
Is there a lot of benefit to running postmarketOS compared to rooted Android?
I've had some trouble with flashing an old Asus tablet in that all the old images/info are basically dead links. But that is mostly just your average link rot.
I figured compiling a custom ROM was more trouble than it's worth but if the main branch is actively maintained maybe less so.
If you want "a phone" with PostmarketOS, forget it now. It can be good as a portable mini computer for remote connecting to a servers and things like that, but until you are about to take sacrifices of for ex. not working camera and do not want to be sure alarm clock app is going to ring at the morning this won't be for you.
It's much less polished, stable and pleasent for daily use as Android. But they are good reasons why people are developing it.
Good post
Yaaassss
What's the best non win 11 pc we can go for?
Windows 10
Do you have access to businesses upgrading computers or shutting down that division? They tend to have some interesting stuff for playing with on Linux.
Hmm not directly, but I might have some friends who do. Could be a very interesting one
People have tons of old computers laying around that they would be more than happy to get rid of if someone asked nicely.
In fact you may melt them down for precious metals and earn a profit, but that's for strange people.
When/if this happens, if I got the money, I hope I find someone selling their old desktop to upgrade to 11 so I can get a cheap computer to use as a personal testing grounds server that I don't mind nuking if I accidentally mess up something.
The k8s cluster must grow.
Lol ok.
This is getting to Y2K hype levels, and in a similar fashion, will not do anything.
I get Linux people like to fanboy/shit over Windows but surely you're tech literate enough to realize this is making a mountain from a molehill.
Y2K was a big deal, but it was well funded and successfully dealt with. Wikipedia:
The total cost of the work done in preparation for Y2K likely surpassed US$300 billion...