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Smith asked SCOTUS to do this months ago. Refusing him then but taking the case up now seems pretty shitty.
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It's not just "pretty shitty;" it's blatant corruption favoring Trump.
Why are people not ready to riot over this? People should be in the streets and setting cars on fire.
The highest court in the land just made a move so corrupt and blatant that there is no defense of it. They’re helping a criminal insurrectionist ex-president escape charges. Are you kidding me?! This is a complete delegitimization of an entire branch of governments highest office with life appointments.
Not only did they not need to take the case but they set it up to delay his trials as long as possible. Meaning that now, his trials WILL LIKELY NOT HAPPEN BEFORE THE ELECTION.
At best we might get a verdict on one or two before the election but sentencing will not take place and that is IF there are no other delays. Those are slim chances.
So yes America will be heading to the polls this November with Trump facing potentially zero responsibility for his actions, maybe found guilty before January, whereupon he could be sworn in and cancel his own trials or could pardon himself.
This court has just shown they would allow him to do that. Why else take this case if not a blatant desire to unfairly install Trump as president? There’s no reason. What I’m telling you is that he won’t face justice if he wins the election. And this just increased his chances of winning dramatically.
Because the police in the US are not bound by the Geneva Convention nor rule of law. Because the middle class is lucky if it is buried in a mortgage, student loans, inflation, and multiple jobs and is too scared to do anything to lose anything else.
And look at the Seattle CHOP. Or Portland riots. Or the ones in the middle of the country. Or in Rochester, NY. WHERE WERE YOU THEN ? Were you in thee streets fighting the armed, far right terrorists ?
Or anywhere Black Lives Matter because black Americans are the ones leading a route to change and often without support as people say "Why aren't we rioting ?" We rioted in Atlanta. We riot in Missouri.
Well in Seattle, before CHOP, that bitch ass east precinct started all the violence on cap hill, every single night. Then abandoned shop as if they were under attack, which they weren't.
"THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES"
and those far right terrorists? Yea, those were ICE and BP in unmarked cars, in civilian clothing, pulling up throwing bags over people's heads and throwing them in the trunk. People just walking home from work, not even involved. Pure fucking terrorism. That's what Trump levied against the PNW.
I'm not fucking kidding either. This whole place is fucked, not even worth the paper the bullshit sanitized lies we were raised on.
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Why are people not ready to riot over this?
Ask what happened to the BLM protesters. Ask what happened to the climate change protesters. Hell, ask what happened to ACORN and Code Pink.
We're dealing with some serious selection bias. The folks that have, historically, lead the charge on street protests have been rounded up and shut down. Surveillance technologies rapidly identify individuals organizing nascent movements. Police informants are disbatched to infiltrate, disrupt, and arrest activists Organization leaders end up shot dead inside burning cars or killed in a hail of gunfire by police or hounded between countries by extradition proceedings or bombed to death in their neighborhoods by city cops.
First they came for the Communists, and I said nothing, because fuck 'dem tankies...
Maybe it's time to lace up those boots, comrade.
I love it.
If there's no respect for the law at the top, why the fuck should any of us have any respect for it?
If you wanna be rich you gotta do what the rich do right? Bring on some fucking anarchy, America's been getting primed since Newt Gingrich for a purge, dumb motherfucking out of touch 1% think they're gonna survive it. How'd that work for em in the movies?
the right has been licking their lips for a purge for a long time. Imo a general strike is a better response. Shut down all business until the market crashes. Stop reading the news and the spins and the takes and just talk to people.
I fully agree with you. 2 caveats.
For the last 15 years, that I can recall, every year it was reported that more people who are or lean left have been buying the bulk of weapons. The left isnt toothless and honestly, most of the fucks who drove around in Trump trains, bullying on the freeway and what not, would shit their pants if fire were returned their way. Like all bullies, theyre real tough until they meet someone who is, then they're a bunch of chicken shits. Case in point; Uvalde
And it pains me to think it but I do; America's "silent majority", those too afraid to lose what they have to speak out, won't budge until we see a REAL loss.
Take this, entirely plausible scenario.
Trump wins the election, not because people want him, but because the status quo (which is all Democrats can ever offer - they aren't a party of leaders; they're a party of middle managers) is destroying us all, and/or because our support for Israel, as they become the newest genocidal, eternal victim/pariah. Genocidal Joe is a baaaaaad moniker. Trump comes in, 2025 starts getting implemented. To distract, in the name of national security/health war is declared on the cartels, without discussing it with Mexico first and the bombing campaign begins as troops are built up in Cali/Arizona/NM/Texas. Soldiers push out off of America soil. Skirmishes are ran across the border and back again. Keep in mind - any military action inside the states is illegal. Legally they would have to establish a beachhead to invade; but that defeats the softer point of the whole venture, which is to normalize military use around civies. Protests erupt after our military, under direct orders to do, start channeling their inner Israeli and kill every human in sight. Mexican Americans, the majority along the border, grind the 2 largest state economies to a halt. Police are overwhelmed...next thing we know, Tucson doesn't exist anymore, thousands of American are dead, at the hands of our military..
That's the threshold I think it'd take for any fucking Karen or Kevin to realize things have gone to far. I hope I'm wrong.
I hope Shawn Fein can pull it together for 2028 like he's mentioned. I'll be standing in the roads right next to you brother.
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More importantly, how did it work for them IRL. I heard a lot of them lost their heads in France.
The good news is that if Trump's arguments hold, Biden can just send seal team 6 after his fat ass. The end of American democracy could almost be worth it.
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The time to riot was when the Steele Dossier was released. We've just contented ourselves with being fat and lazy at this point.
Lets set up a date. Everyone go march on your state capital this weekend?
Why aren't you ready and doing it?
Pretty sure it's the same answer as for pretty much everyone else.
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Hey now, why don't we trust the court to fairly judge Trump.
.. Has Thomas accepted the 1 mil/year to fuck off already?
If George Soros ever did anything to warrant all the hate he gets he should offer all 5 conservative judges 5mil/yr to retire immediately.
Like, you can't expect them to NOT take it. The rights been selling America out for 40 years now.
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He's waiting on a counter offer from Harlan Crow.
I'm old enough to remember Dianne Feinstein waving Kavanaugh through his Senate confirmation hearing, just four years after McConnell had brick-walled Garland.
Its crazy how bad Senate Democrats are on judiciary appointments. They bring boxing gloves to a gun fight every damned time.
Old enough? Wasn't that, like, 6 years ago?
Yes. Practically lost to history, in our modern news cycle.
Now we're all focused on these cool Rings that Trump gave us.
It's almost like neoliberals intentionally picked candidates to enable corporatism or something.
Damn. You guys need to take back your country
Most people in the country are just as craven, they just believe this doesn’t support their selfish directives so they’re obligated to bitch and moan about it. They won’t do shit though, watch.
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These headlines are so dumb.
If the supreme court suddenly starts acting weird, that's a declaration of intent. As in, they intend to help the man who put them there get his job back.
Because law and the mafia are two sides of the same coin, and it's the person holding the coin who puts the spin on it.
Impetuous people will hear that and take it as license to do anything; actual grownups will recognize that makes the law more precious, not less. The supreme court is now split down that line. "Yes, but I just gotta do this thing" is why there aren't supposed to be strings attached to Supreme Court justices; they're supposed to be found first, and invalidate the candidate.
All it took was an immoral president and now poof, the whole institution is functionally just gone, and here we are, chickens with our heads cut off trying to figure out what to do about it. cept it's hard to think once your head's been cut off. maybe building our legal system as a layer cake with no access to the top levels for normal humans was the sort of shitty thing we weren't supposed to do, flying in the face of all those principles it was "built on" and whatnot.
Lawrence Odonnel's comments at the 5th minute of this video is a very interesting point. It kinda puts a blanket on all of the reason for the video but it is a important point. What the SC will hear is very defined and Trump already lost what he wanted the SC to hear.
Doesn’t really matter though. No one thinks the court will allow immunity. What turnip has been after is delay, and the court just signaled that they have his back. Adding almost 3 more months of delay (the 2+ weeks while waiting for them to accept the case and the almost 2 months before even hearing arguments, and that’s ignoring the time it will take to render a decision). So, the “best” possible outcome is still a benefit to him, and it only gets better for him from there.
The fix is in.
Right. This is not a difficult question. OK, so the Supremes want to put their stamp on the fact that Presidents are not absolutely immune because it's not something that's come before them in the past. Fine.
What they could have done is lifted the stay that's stopping the trials from going forward. Then things move on in parallel and there's no need to ramp things up again when the decision inevitably comes out as a no for Trump. Doing it this way means the obvious decision is still made, but Trump gets the delay he was looking for.
Actually I think there's a substantial chance that the court will allow immunity for only official acts. That's really the only question before them, because the trial judge didn't rule on whether or not these were official acts, only that there's no immunity whatsoever.
If they do it'll get kicked back down to the district court where the judge will quite obviously say these were not official acts. Then that will be appealed. It'll go nowhere but will waste time. Unless SCOTUS rules immediately after the oral arguments it'll be pushed past the election for sure. It likely will anyway tbh.
I always think Biden should take this asa sign the court is too small. 9 justices apparently isn't enough to handle the caseload and the court needs to expand.
Tyrants must be quelled. The law is breaking down around us. Be safe out there, folks.
Lol Jesus christ
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