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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago (5 children)

And how, exactly, are they going to assess if anyone is "undocumented" at 200, 300, 400 yards?

[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Just like the door gunner in Full Metal Jacket.

Anyone who runs is an illegal. Anyone who stands still is a well disciplined illegal.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Well, they're BROWN. Clearly! /s

[–] GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

With a color swatch strip that runs from beige to brown. Anywhere darker than tan and it's open season.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 8 points 8 months ago

The law change as far as I can tell allows you to shoot intruders on your property right away.

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 3 points 8 months ago

Heading north

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

These mofos always looking for excuses to hunt people, especially minorities.

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What are they supposed to do with all those guns, just look at them? Come on bro, be chill. They just want to do a lil brownperson hunting.

And what the fuck are you gonna do to stop em?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's kind of funny how it sneaks up on you...

I never thought I'd own a gun, but had an apartment in a bad neighborhood, lots of drugs and crime, loose pit bulls running around.

So I bought a gun:

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92fs-FA0043

Roll forward 20 years, my grandfather passes away, leaves his guns to my dad. My dad passes away... suddenly I'm the owner of 14 guns. O_O

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I consider myself left of center, in the US at least. I’m in favor of a more careful and measured approach to gun ownership in general. That all being said, when I watched an angry mob attempt to overthrow the federal government, my liberal ass went out and bought a gun. Those lunatics proved they’d happily lynch politicians from their own party, I sleep sounder with my gun safe nearby.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I keep repeating: Women, POC and LGBT folks have been the largest gun purchasing demographic in America for the past few years. Maybe liberal suburban boys should wonder what those people are seeing?

And I repeat again: Owning a gun does NOT make you safe. Unless you practice, train, practice some more and carry (carrying is another form of practice), you're less safe. If you haven't put 1,000 rounds through your weapon, in varying conditions, keep going.

It's a big responsibility. If you don't want to take it on, that's your right. I chose to take it on, as is my right. If they start loading trains, I'll fight for you all, best I can anyway, which ain't much.

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I agree with everything you’ve said, and yes, I do practice at the range. I can’t exactly carry a rifle where I live though, and getting a CCW here is a nightmare.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Right on, and here's an excellent, but sober video people need to watch, and re-watch.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Living in Proud Boy Central, I agree. Though things have calmed down a bit since the arrests. Hard to tell though if it were that or the rainy season. :) I guess we'll find out in the Spring.

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/07/21/proud-boy-tusitala-tiny-toese-sentenced-8-years-prison-violence-portland-rallies/

https://www.opb.org/article/2024/01/24/marc-bru-proud-boys-january-6-portland/

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[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm definitely of the mindset that I want more guns and I could easily afford them. I don't buy them because I am likely inheriting dozens of firearms when certain family members pass. It's still decades away (hopefully), but I don't want to have to deal with so many multiples of similar firearms.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

That was kind of the position I was in when I inherited...

Dad left me this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Standard_Derringer

OK, that's cute, but come on... Bought one of these...

https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/ranger-ii/

Then, going through everything, I was like "Wait, no shotgun?"

Fine!

https://www.mossberg.com/590-nightstick-6-shot.html

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Owning a firearm is a big responsibility, using one on a person will change a decent person's life dramatically, but being murdered or watching your family be murdered is not an option.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I would love to inherit 13 guns. I'd turn them in at the first local buy back so they could be destroyed.

[–] TruthAintEasy@kbin.social 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As a canadian, all I can do is feel sad and angry about it and post while chugging maple syrup

[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As an american, I'll be chugging nacho "cheese."

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

You should be voting in local elections so chuds like this don't get a chance.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At least we Canadians get a sugar high with the maple syrup, I feel bad for your arteries....

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[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How do you morally justify allowing yourself to kill other people? Where does that authority come from?

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's been a while, but I do vaguely recall a footnote on the sixth commandment about how it doesn't count if you really don't like the person you are killing or something.

Same people who really insist that the bible and the ten commandments are the immutable word of god and that alone is a justification for things being illegal.

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Well the thing is that after the commandment to not kill thing, there come something like three whole books where that same god directly instructs his chosen people to commit one tribal genocide after another after another after another. There's even a cool story in there where he gives such an instruction and his chosen ones are like, "Nah, they have more people and better resources and we're going to all die if we try to genocide them." And that god says, "If you don't go kill them right now, I'll just kill you right here and now." And then within a book or so after that he's all, "Actually it's bad to kill again, starting... NOW!" Can't expect consistency or logic from people who think these are true stories.

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Republicans have wanted to hunt people for sport for ages. Also, they don't see them as "people" so they have no qualms about pulling the trigger.

[–] MinusPi@yiffit.net 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm a food delivery driver in rural AZ. This is horrifying.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah no, you are an ex food delivery driver. You just don't know it yet. By that I mean quit. Don't put yourself at risk for these people's sake. Tell the company they cannot pay you enough on hazard pay to justify working there anymore

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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

It's important, I think, to remember that our nation, and much of civilization chooses to put property rights over human rights. Some nations do not, many of which are the happiest on Earth according to the world happiness index.

We choose, to be vindictive, petty, murderous monsters, many of which are willing to kill over their pile of crap, and some of which are extremely eager, going by their door signs, to kill over their pile of crap.

But Freedom to roam countries tend to be societies, whereas we're more of a burlap sack fillled with turds, Metaphorically speaking.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

ETA to ranchers selling slots on their ranch for anyone to come in and hunt humans.

[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 12 points 8 months ago

You can bet your ass Kyle Rittenhouse would be begging his mom to drive him to Arizona.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Bold of you to assume they aren't already

[–] Soulg@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Reminder that illegally crossing the border is only a misdemeanor.

[–] ____@infosec.pub 9 points 8 months ago

Wasn't but a few hours ago that I was telling someone elsewhere in the fediverse that food is a human right and directly causing famine (Palestine) is unacceptable use of human rights as weapons.

Fortunately, when Israel couldn't quite be offensive enough at that exact moment, Arizona sat up and said "Hold my beer, y'all!"

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

There's some nuance here. INAL, but I'm reading that this bill would allow someone to confront a trespasser, far from home, yet on their property, and call it castle doctrine. If that's the case, I disagree mightily. Fuck around outside? That's for 911, even if they're far away. Don't care what you do outside, I'll wait on law enforcement. Inside? FAFO.

If passed, the change of “and” to “or” in state law would give a much broader defense to people who use deadly force, as property would only have to satisfy some of the requirements instead of all of them, said criminal defense attorney Jack Litwak. [emphasis mine]

“The idea with the Castle Doctrine is that you are supposed to be able to defend house and home,” he said.“This seems to broaden it to say you can shoot someone that’s just on your actual property.”

On the surface, this doesn't seem like much of a change. But I've seen cases revolve around seemingly minor details. Words have very specific meanings in law. Very specific.

Remember the guy who shot a YouTube bully who was fucking with him in a food court? And we all cheered him on? Here James Reeves, gun nut and attorney, breaks it down. Yes, being somewhat cheesy is part of his shtick. In any case, he's expert on both firearms and related law (ex-military and a practicing attorney.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QMkL5wlcaM

[–] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Where's the bill to remove everyone who's not a Native American from this stolen land? Oh, right.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Remember the parable of the man who was beaten on the road to Damascus? In the New Republican Version, it ends with the Samaritan gunning him down from 100yds, just in case.

[–] TruthAintEasy@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

Scene: The road to Damascus

Samaritan: laying on the ground, beaten and bloody

Repub: GET ON THE GROUND GET ON THE GROUND!!!!

Samaritan: lifts head slightly to see who is yelling

Repub: HE'S COMING RIGHT AT ME!! pew pew pew

Samaritan: dies

Repub: you guys all saw that right? He was coming right at me, I had to stand my ground! (from 100 yards away)

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

what's hilarious about that (OG) parable was... it's original purpose.

some cultural context is important there; not rendering aid if it could be rendered was viewed every bit as much as stabbing a dude would have been. It was the only commandant that could have been broken by inaction.

now the merchant and the pharisee were both seen as righteous men. So as jesus was telling the story; everybody expected him to stop. When the merchant kept going by, everyone thought (more or less,) "oh, the pharisee had it."

When the Pharisee kept going... he was literally calling the rich fucks and their puppets (the pharisees) murderers. The point of the parable was that those two were worse than the "unclean" and broadly despised Samaritans. (which were viewed in very similar manner to how Trumpian broke-dicks view migrants seeking asylum, in point of fact.)

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Well, you have to admit, it's one way to ensure these republiQan dickhead office-holders will never set foot near the border again.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Murder is against federal law.

but somehow, I get the feeling the spineless idiots running the show won't enforce it.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We aren't quickly becoming the Imperium, we're already there. The hottest and most abundant commodity is bodies, exploited to the last sinew. Whether your shot dead, or worked to death in dangerous conditions, you will serve. It is beyond time we've dealt with our demostic terrorism, the politicians that enable them, and the corporations that fund it all.

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