In case you are wondering his delay tactics and appeal is not to say that he did not do these things, he's trying to argue that he paid back the loans he fraudulently acquired so no harm no foul. He's actually opening himself up to more lawsuits, but by then he hopes to Pardon himself as president
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but by then he hopes to Pardon himself as president
I wish him luck pardoning himself on state charges. The state of NY don’t give a fuck and will start seizing his assets.
He ain't paying shit if he's president, he will conduct himself like a little Putin / Kim Jong Un and nobody will be able to arrest or stop him. He'll retaliate through every legal or illegal means available to prevent any enforcement of such a verdict.
He cannot be allowed to become President. He will destroy the rule of law in this country.
Considering his freedom after a widely televised insurrection, kinda looks like “rule of law” has already been destroyed in your country 🧐
It definitely has. What we've seen in response with the various prosecutions since then certainly feel more like a piddly attempt to scrape back some semblance of dignity for the law, rather than a true "victory of our democratic systems." I think a more accurate statement would be that he's squash any remaining embers of real justice and order and make sure they stay squashed.
It never really existed for the rich and powerful. Just for the peasants.
The only time you see the rule of law apply to the rich and powerful is when they harm other rich and powerful people.
They're the order the law is there to preserve.
That was just locker room insurrection
They can always argue that a sitting president is above XYZ indictment. Or then use the DOJ as a weapon to enforce their will in court, with the SCOTUS then being the last resort. Once he has the Executive back under control, and the SCOTUS already biased and corrupt, he can go after democrats with the courts like they are and wrestle full control and power away from the people. You think they won’t lie and impeach every Democrat out there? Looks at the trial run of the one lady about the boarder.
Edit: hell, look at Biden. 🤦♂️
The people Who Are Supposed To Know Better need to figure out what they’re going to do when that happens because if this demented rapist is set to lie about defending The Constitution for a second time well, then he thinks he’s a king . . . And we don’t play that. Failure by the FBI, failure by the DCI, failure by the DoJ - we live in this country to chew gum and not have a king. And we’re about out of gum.
Merrick! Wake up! Phone’s ringing, Dude.
This is why they need things like the Florida State Guard and the Oathkeepers and why they're inviting confrontations between the Texas National Guard and border patrol. Their plan is not based on anything legal; their plan is "we have big guys with guns and we'll shoot you if you try to enforce the law."
If this runs to conclusion and the verdict stays, most likely the banks that where duped will request the difference between what he paid and what he should have paid if they knew the true financial reality, if they would have lent to him at all.
The lying on real estate value most likely also influenced the prices of other real estate to be higher. So people that bought real estate will also have been influenced. They will have a hard time proving it, but the downstream effects will be there.
He still has to post the bond though?
Which means he is still going to be in the liquidity cruch, which imo, is of far greater concern to him.
He has to do a lot of things, legally. That doesn't seem to concern him too much, though.
He'll die from from old age, rich and without ever having seen consequences for his actions.
I take comfort in the fact that he was never, won't ever be, and is probably incapable of being, content and happy.
Trump is by no means rich. He's just cosplaying.
There's a reason he never pays his legal fees.
He lives the lifestyle of the rich, no matter what his bank statements say.
He's the living, breathing proof that when you're part of the upper echelon of our economic system, money is completely imaginary.
When I subtract my debts and open obligations from my assets, the result is probably a lot higher than Trump's, but he's the one who still shits in a golden toilet.
That is such a ridiculous argument. The harm is in the opportunity cost to other potential borrowers and the burden of the added risk the bank was taking on unknowingly. He was tying up bank funds on risky fraudulent investments and that meant there were less funds available to loan to other people who weren’t fraudulently claiming their assets had a highly inflated value. He has declared bankruptcy in the past, there was no guarantee the investments would’ve worked out and the bank could’ve been exposed to huge losses without enough assets to cover their liabilities if a bunch of people started using Trump tactics and lying about their holdings to get extra loans. Banks don’t have infinite money.
Delay tactics.
Sort of? He still has to post the bond right?
If he wants to delay payment. Otherwise he can just not do the bond or pay and let the state seize assets. Letting them seize means he can continue his persecuted martyr schtick so I assume he will go with the not paying and seizure.
What are the odds Qanon turns this into a conspiracy about how they're stealing documents that can expose the liberal pedophile cabal?
I'd be surprised if it hasn't happened already.
Batshit cults based on nothing and existing specifically to defy logic and reason don’t need odds.
Lock him up, lock him up, lock him up. Time he tastes his own medicine.
For those wondering about the cash like me, the above article says:
Trump wasn’t required to pay his penalty or post a bond in order to appeal, and appealing won’t automatically halt enforcement of the judgment.
The Republican presidential front-runner has until March 25 to secure a stay, a legal mechanism pausing collection while he appeals. Trump would receive an automatic stay if he puts up money, assets or an appeal bond covering what he owes. Trump’s lawyers could also ask the appeals court to grant a stay without obtaining a bond or with a bond for a lower amount.
This is different from what I've been hearing, which is that in New York state, he has to pay the judgement in full OR post a bond for the entire amount before being allowed to appeal.
Both this case and the E. Jean Carrol cases were New York state, so . . . what am I missing?
From my understanding, he can file the appeal but it won't go anywhere unless the amount plus 10% is paid.
I read earlier today that it's just "intent to appeal", so nothingburger at this point
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Trump had vowed to appeal and his lawyers had been laying the groundwork for months by objecting frequently to Engoron’s handling of the trial.
Trump said Engoron’s decision, the costliest consequence of his recent legal troubles, was “election interference” and “weaponization against a political opponent.”
“Given the grave stakes, we trust that the Appellate Division will overturn this egregious verdict and end this relentless persecution against my clients,” Trump lawyer Alina Habba said.
Trump wasn’t able to appeal the decision immediately because the clerk’s office at Engoron’s courthouse had to file paperwork known as a judgment to make it official.
He is scheduled to go on trial next month in Manhattan for falsifying business records related to hush money paid to porn actor Stormy Daniels on his behalf.
In January, a jury ordered Trump to pay $83.3 million to writer E. Jean Carroll for defaming her after she accused him in 2019 of sexually assaulting her in a Manhattan department store in the 1990s.
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the wheels of justice turn so slowly for Trump, I bet even asset seizing is gonna be appealed and delayed until another judge reviews the case. And then that ruling will be appealed.