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[–] pigup@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

UNPOPULAR OPINION: popular opinion

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Kinda but you would need to limit corporations abusing addiction for profit like they already do with things like nicotine

[–] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Portugal. They've essentially been doing this for years.

Drugs are decriminalised and in themselves legal.

It's still technically a crime to use them but generally you are treated as a patient with addiction. Not a criminal.

There's still a massive body of criminal law around supplying, and producing them.

So they are not dismantling controls on drugs but targeting the issues drugs cause instead of criminalising users needlessly.

Not perfect there but certainly lessons to be learnt.

[–] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People need education not prohibition..

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

All the "just say no" stuff didn't count as education.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 29 points 8 months ago

D.A.R.E. was objectively a massive failure.

Turns out when you tell kids that weed is just as bad as crack, they start wondering "what else did they lie about" when they figure out weed is fine.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago

It's all based on lies though. You tell them weed is as bad as other drugs then they try weed and it's fine you can imagine the conclusion drawn from that.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think 30 years ago or so before a bunch of countries proved this worked for many drugs, this would have been an unpopular opinion.

Now, I'm not so sure.

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[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Not really unpopular. Most Scientists and even some politicians agree that the war on drugs only made things worse and that prohibition is not working.

[–] Rogers@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago

Meh, having everything instantly legal would be too much especially without the funding for care centers where addicts can get help. As well as preventative systems for addicts.

Decriminalization is a step better but it doesn't solve the problems of dealers lacing fentanyl into things people dont expect.

That said, it's absurd to not already have things like psychedelics/weed/kratom decriminalization and small amounts of party drugs. The fact that the punishment for doing drugs far more harmful than the dugs themselves is mind boggling.

[–] OleoSaccharum@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Actual unpopular opinion: people obsess over legalization models for everything because they have bad enforcement models to base their data off of

Law enforcement in the US distributes drugs. Corruption has turned "informants" into a system where the police are essentially gangs which monopolize both criminal activity and the law. Our air force got caught cooking MDMA on a nuclear base in the Netherlands. We have a base here in Texas that changed names because they keep having suicides mass shootings and sweeping SA allegations under the rug. Two of the soldiers got caught with a middle schooler man. There's so many goddamn drugs

Anyways my point is sociologists studying the US actions will assume it is impossible to make anything illegal without causing havoc.

There are ways to eliminate issues like prostitution and drug abuse without locking up prositutes or giving people possession charges or locking up street dealers making less than minimum wage. That kind of criminalization does absolutely nothing other than ruin lives

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which ways, can you detail them?

[–] OleoSaccharum@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You go after the pimps and distributors, to begin with. Help get low level members of these orgs out and back into society. Genuine rehabilitation is not the goal of our prison system, just slavery. To state the obvious you prolly know.

I am not a huge fan of the Nordic model but it is miles better than trying to get the UN orgs to call pimps "sex workers" ugh

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes, the Nordic model.. Like Sweden and it's obsession with drugs, to the point where the doctors will rather you suffer than get you help because if they give you something that can be perceived as addictive, you'll just become a degenerate addict.

How about the zero tolerance part on having or being on drugs, the one where they will literally ruin your life and any future prospects if they find you with a banned substance in your blood..

You know where that's led to? It's led to Sweden having the highest drug related death rate in Europe.

I don't get why governments get to tell people what they can and cannot take tbh. I love smoking weed, if I have the right strain it decreases my anxiety by 80%,but some fucker in government only understands "drug bad", so fuck me and my anxiety.

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But what about all the shareholders who have a stake in the prison-industrial complex?

[–] rockandsock@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

They can go to rehab for money addiction.

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I think we should legalize and hand off distribution and production to major colleges. Have a lot of the profits go toward lowering tuition that way we can elevate our citizens to a higher standard where we can eventually lessen the use of drugs for escapism.

[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you really want what has happened with unrestricted tobacco to happen with meth?

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Like by prescription only like opiods or like no advertising like tobacco?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago

Regulations come in many forms.

It all depends on the type of drug and what is dangerous about it.

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Checking in for the struggling sober. Controlled access and decriminalisation need to go hand in hand with

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[–] JackLSauce@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think most people would agree on the surface but the devil's in the details: that statement could mean anything from making schedule 1 drugs available at detox centers to removing prescription requirements on antibiotics to grabbing a bag of ricin at the corner store on your way to work

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[–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Poisonings and overdoses skyrocket.

Edit: Not to mention antibiotic resistance.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Because right now everything is dandy, right?

By treating addicted users as criminals instead of people in need of help, they don't get the help they need and it creates a taboo around the issue, just like it was a few years ago for mental health or sexual orientation.

At the strict minimum, decriminalize and controlled access is a good stop gap.

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[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And those people get proper medical care instead of revolving door prisons.

If drugs are produced with the same requirements as pharmaceuticals poisonings go down massively. That is usually due to it being cut with other shit.

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