Just completely unrealistic. The time for this type of talk was a year ago. Two years ago. There isn't even time to get new names qualified for primaries now. This is who it is. We're going to vote for him.
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But will Biden motivate enough people to get off the couch to vote?
If the threat of a fascist dictator who’s currently liable for half a billion dollars of damages from his defamation (of his rape victim) and his decades of real estate fraud (not to mention his homophobia, transphobia, sexism, ableism, xenophobia, insurrection and arguably straight up treason, Christ the list goes on) doesn’t get people voting then honestly, your vaunted republic deserves to fall.
Or you could vote for “literally none of that” Biden.
But hey, tricky choice, right?
100 million voters don't vote. Most know all of that that you listed and they still won't take the time to vote. How else would you motivate them?
Prediction:
The number of non-voters will go UP in 2024 compared to 2020 due to not pressing as hard on vote by mail.
Prediction: people are also tired of Biden; and Trump has had 4 years to retcon his bullshit and get less-psychotic republicans inline with shit like “Jan 6 wasn’t an insurrection”
Biden is going to have an extremely tough fight on his hands.
People have been saying this for years, too. The DNC doesn’t care.
People can scream and howl at the moon all they want. I’ll be voting for Biden even if I resent him… won’t change that he’s loosing votes fast.
People SAY they aren't voting Biden now, but when it comes down to the election and Trump still hasn't faced a criminal charge and the only person blocking him from office is Biden? They'll vote.
All the Muslims in Michigan doing protest voting, you really think they want this guy back in office?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/trump-muslim-ban-gaza-refugees
Now, Biden will have to REMIND everyone what the alternative is, but the choice couldn't be clearer.
Hillary said the same thing.
Yeah, but Hillary was an idiot, insulting coal miners which lost her PA, "Son of Scranton" Biden won't do that.
She also blew off Michigan and Wisconsin, which I doubt Biden will do either.
See that attitude is why we will never get true change
Attitude doesn't matter unless:
a) We get rid of the electoral college and, man, are we CLOSE...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
b) We get rid of first past the post elections and move to ranked choice voting.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ranked-choice_voting_(RCV)#Where_is_RCV_used
That is what will cause change.
So why does it matter who the Dems pull out of their asses to run against Trump? You could make the same argument for voting for literally any of them instead of Biden.
I maintain that in 2016, Hillary Clinton was probably the only candidate who could've lost to Trump. So who gets picked matters. This "Biden crime family" bullshit isn't sticking the way it did with Bill and Hillary.
No, but the age thing certainly is sticking. An overwhelming majority of Americans ate concerned about his age.
Like, Taylor Swift only has 60% or so approval in America whereas I think it was some 70 or 80% of Americans are concerned about Biden's age/mental acuity.
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Man, I remember reading lists that were pretty much the same about why people would obviously vote for Clinton in 2016.
Don't remember how that went, can you remind me?
There's one key difference in those lists now, if you would like a hint: it's the straight-up treason.
No matter how divided on any other issue, that's the one that should unite us all.
You woulda thought that vaccination during a pandemic would have united us all. Or Earth is round. Or Putin is bad.
It’s straight up supporting the massacre and ethnic cleansing of tens of thousands of people, as well as the destruction of hundreds of thousands of homes, tons of schools and hospitals, the BELGIAN office in Gaza, the mosques.
And Biden supports every bit of that, he says he doesn’t, but actions speak louder than words
What do you think Trump is going to do?
He's either going to order us to drop bombs ourselves to wipe out Gaza or demand Israel given everything we've got so Israel can drop all the bombs.
All while pulling out of NATO and embracing Russia's invasion of Ukraine, before assisting in the push to Finland, Estonia, and Latvia, with Belarus droppong the charade and publicly passing sovereignty back over to Russia.
That doesn't even mention what's going to happen here. The RNC is publicly saying they're going to end democracy to a hall full of cheers. The "day one dictator" is going to try and fucking do it. And his sycophants will allow him. Followed by mass deportationss and concentration camps of "illegals". Then declarations of naturalization of certain people to have been illegal (DREAMERs beware) to be in the next wave. Simultaneously our trans friends will be picked up. Every gay man and women will have to tread carefully or be declared a pedophile and rounded up too, and it'll only be a matter of time before they round up every outed gay person that doesn't provide them some leverage over some group.
I dont think Biden is great by any standard. And his continued support of Israel's actions in Gaza are no different than any president since Israel was forcefully taken away and given to them post WW2.
Let's remember what's at stake here. We either defeat Trump and fight for Biden to implement incremental progress and push away from Israel. Or Trump wins and the USA becomes a fascist Russian puppet state and the world is going to descend into another war.
Progress is incremental until there's a wave of change. History has repeatedly shown this. And we've seen what that wave of change is when the fascist wave comes. And the world vowed to never let it happen again. Let's not forget what our grandfather's and great grandfather's fought for.
The US has forgotten NEVER AGAIN and replaced that with sending weapons to ensure it happens again.
I’m not saying for vote for trump.
Neither side wants me so neither side can get me.
I will vote locally and state but I won’t help either person who supports the massacre of innocents in any way.
I am allowed to bitch about Biden without supporting trump.
I don’t understand why that is a hard concept for people.
Neither side wants my vote, so I am doing what everyone wants
Remember "Obama's drone strikes" & how that was going to cost him he election?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Not as long as he continues supporting Israel.
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Why do articles keep pointing the blame "at democrats" like we in the party have some kind of magical control over this?
We can only vote for the motherfuckers that run. If you run, we can vote for you. If you don't run, we can't vote for you. So, who are we supposed to pick?
Dean Philips, the guy that talks about appeasing republicans? No. Just, fuck no.
You, you on the other side of the screen, you should run for office. Then we might have more options.
The political parties decide what the options are.
IF the political parties decide that voters have NO viable options, then .. well, they don't accept any responsibility OR any accountability, do they?
It's everybody else's fault.
That, right there, is why the political-party highjacking-of-countries, ought be exterminated.
Democracy meant citizens voting on the issues, not on authorities who'd, har har, "do the right thing on behalf of the citizens".
Current technology makes that possible.
Canada can't even get long-explicitly-promised election-reform to be enacted by the guy who promised it:
political-power IS corruption, to some fundamental extent.
That has always been the case, for millenia.
Eh, that's conspiracy theory nonsense. If Bernie wanted to run, he could run. He just doesn't want to. There's no behind-the-scenes political party machine that is forcing him not to run. Nor did they prevent him from running in the past, they just tried to hurt his chances.
He still ran though, and ran strong.
My family was heavily involved with the DNC from the 60’s to the 90’s. What you’re saying is sort of true and sort of not true. They don’t force people to run or not to, but they are very adept at strongly suggesting what their people should do for the “good of the party”.
If you run when they don’t want you to, they won’t help you in your next lesser election, and then you have no power at all. Bernie was an extreme anomaly to overcome the pressure to step aside, and even then, he didn’t win. If it weren’t for his ability to motivate the far left, a skill that moderate democrats don’t have, they would have found a seemingly polite way to put him out to pasture already.
I’ve seen it and heard it from the inside, and those were descriptions of the years when things were a lot more civil. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that they control the candidates any less these days.
I agree, we generally do try to look at the bigger political picture, and especially since Citizens United, money is a very, very major consideration. Politics is an inherently ugly practice that involves a great deal of compromise, just to function in a complex world with large numbers of different interests in it.
Though I'd say the modern day is a more mixed bag, it's easier now for a more independent politician to rise with grassroots support than it was pre-internet. This was a major factor in Bernie's success, and we have people like Katie Porter proving it wasn't actually just some fluke. Even Obama did well, mainly with grassroots support against Hilary.
The big conspiracy theory that these considerations amount to some shadowy suppression is bullshit though. All the interests are pretty out-in-the-open with what they want. People who did not like him were not hiding their distaste for Bernie, or reasons for not supporting him.
One thing I think gets underestimated by younger progressives is just how many educated, middle-aged soccer moms with two and a half kids that we have.
I definitely agree there. There are a hell of a lot of middle class Americans who talk the progressive talk, but when it’s time to vote, they walk a moderately conservative walk. They always have a reason like “so and so has the best chance of winning” and “the newcomer won’t be able to get anything done”, but those are self fulfilling prophecies.
Until Americans who are succeeding in the current status quo decide that change is possible and desirable, we’re going to keep getting alternations of the same old same old or alt-right dark horses.
Don't underestimate the number of registered dems that simply aren't very progressive, and have zero interest in talking a progressive talk. We're a coalition party, after all. The fix for that is voting reform, ranked choice, something like that, so we don't all have to cram into one party just to survive.
Some people are just pro-choice and want some more business regulation, but that's it. They can be dems too. I'm personally not in favor of any kind of ideological purity, I think they should be allowed within our ranks.
edit: underestimate, not overestimate, which made no sense.
I don't get why this post is down voted. Are people making the mistake of down voting based on whether they agree with the article rather than whether it is good/bad quality?
I think it's a reasonable quality article and it could prompt good discussion. Shame it's being downvoted.
Downvotes have and always will mean "I don't like this" trying to pretend otherwise is futile.
Never going to happen.
You don't depose a sitting President if you want to win an election. Full stop.
The only person who can take Biden out of the running is Biden.
That or a slightly loose tile.
We see you for what you are, @return2ozma
This is the only type of article you post. And you seem to post them every single day.
Transparent as fuck.
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Why aren't they pointing the fingers at the democratic machine, instead of us, who have no choice?
Because the Atlantic is an elite worshipping moderate rag of a publication these days (which is depressing because from 1857 through at least 1964 they were badasses who argued against slavery and Republicans' Southern Strategy)
Biden may be old, but I happen to know for a fact that he is better than the Atlantic when it comes to taking photos that are in focus.
I don't disagree with the premise, but who would it be? Kamala? I don't see it. Liz? The Senate is already going to be a mess, plus superdelegates. Bernie? Ditto. Gretchen? Could only see it if Biden totally stopped functioning. In my perfect world, they'd call Russ Feingold back up to the Majors, but since that didn't happen 20 years ago, it sounds like a much more remote possibility today.
Newsom seems the most likely to me
Newsom can't win middle America. He's seen as "Arrogant California Elite" outside the coasts. He's a great candidate on paper and did amazing things for Cali even if there's this he did I was infuriated by. But outside the coasts his image is sullied by his political history as a California governor.
Additionally, Newsom is not running and wouldn't even think of running unless Biden dropped out, which isn't going to happen unless he has a tragic health event.
The people who think things like 'arrogant california elite' are probably never voting for a Democrat anyway. Newsom is well spoken, sharp, and fairly young. He can defend his positions quite well, and for better or worse is pretty slick. But yes, he's not willing to challenge Biden. I thought the pretext here was who would run if Biden did drop out or couldn't run for whatever reason.
Biden is not evil. Biden is a good person bound by laws and long-standing US foreign strategic relationships.
Trump on the other hand is an absolute selfish piece of shit.
Uh... Biden has been going above and beyond what's "required" for Israel. Even if we assume he can't change his geopolitical strategy because of actual genocide, he's been going so far as to bypass congress to give Israel weapons. People were found guilty for less at the Numenberg trials.
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