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Handwringing over Biden's age has Democrats worried about a repeat of Ruth Bader Ginsberg's refusal to step down (www.businessinsider.com)
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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 79 points 8 months ago (22 children)

Even some expected to be in Biden's corner [including] liberal comedian Jon Stewart.

What. The. Fuck.

Jon Stewart is in Biden's corner, he's just being honest that age is a concern. If you watch his segment you'd see he dropped a big steaming dump on Trump.

And, as an aside, to avoid having your candidate critiqued for their age just fucking run a different candidate.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago

People are extremely bad at understanding what Jon said. It fucking sucks. Sorry, Democrats, you're not going to win over voters by demanding they pretend your stinky candidates don't stink. That's not how this works.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And, as an aside, to avoid having your candidate critiqued for their age just fucking run a different candidate.

This is what bugs me the most, their instinct is to get worried not to you know, do something because they are the ones behind the wheel…

Stuff like this convinced me that democrats are not interested to do anything but show that they are following “the correct process”, results be damned.

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They're confused that Democrats are capable of criticizing their own while still supporting them unlike the right wing cult.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Honestly, good fucking point. I never thought about how infantilizing this bullshit is.

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[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 60 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This logic destroys my fucking brain cells.

And trump/republicans would???!? What a fucking joke of an article to push lmao.

A reminder trump is a few years younger than Biden. Not by much.

[–] FadoraNinja@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If Trump drops dead from being old, bully for us. If Biden drops dead but Trump doesn't we are fucked. That is the issue and risk. That is why we want a younger candidate. Why take the risk when you can avoid i?

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Why?

Because Biden is still the person with the best odds to defeat Trump in an election.

That's really all there is to it.

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[–] UristMcHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't make any sense to me. If Biden dies and Trump doesn't then we will still have the VP. By the time the next election rolls around, assuming Trump loses, Trump will have already faded into obscurity.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

They're saying that if Biden died right now, President Harris would lose to Trump. Which she almost certainly would.

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[–] thesprongler@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Except there is a line of succession for president, whereas trump got to pick RBG'S successor.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Which of course, was 100% her fault. Holding on to power into your 90s is really fucking stupid.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (20 children)

Look, my ONLY goal is to have D’s in leadership because the alternative ushers in a totalitarian fascist hellscape russian client state. If Brandon fucks off to the next life while in office, I don’t care. His replacement won’t be a traitor.

No other consideration carries any weight.

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[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Remember when we weren't allowed to have a real primary in 2020 because Bernie was too much of a risk because Trump might get a second term? The left remembers...

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How was there not a real primary?

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 18 points 8 months ago (14 children)

The party organized a mass dropout of non-Warren neolibs (Obama literally called Mayor Pete and Klobuchar per reporting from the time) to consolidate the right wing vote behind Biden despite him coming in around 5th in the pre-South Carolina states as they panicked when Bernie was winning. That's why they promoted South Carolina in the primary, the DNC will never carry it within our lifetimes, but it has a tiny, party-over-principles democrat electorate they can dictate the vote of in a way they can't other early states.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 6 points 8 months ago

but it has a tiny, party-over-principles democrat electorate they can dictate the vote of in a way they can’t other early states

Rep. Jim Clyburn helped Biden win young Black voters in 2020. This time, they're not listening.

Well, so much for that...

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[–] esc27@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I really wonder how much of this “Biden old” talk is just GOP propaganda.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It might be a "broken clock is right twice a day" situation.

Jon Stewart's glorious return to The Daily Show covered this very topic.

Liberals have the right to question our leadership. It's okay for us to wonder if the president has the ability to make good decisions.

The problem is that conservatives won't hear the same questions for their candidate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Liberals have the right to question our leadership.

And those of us to the left of liberals have the right to question the leadership liberals have stuck us with.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

Exactly. You don’t get to have orthodoxy when your party is made up of a massive coalition because of our shitty voting system.

I don’t want to vote for Biden, but I’m gonna. And I reserve the right to be unhappy about it and express this.

But if the Democratic Party wants to be jackboots like the Rs then democracy is already dead here.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is it propaganda if it's true? 80 is old as fuck.

Name one other industry or company who would hire an 80 year old. Not saying he can't do the job, just saying 80 is fucking old to still be working and it's a valid concern.

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[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I had literally never seen this dumbass RBG comparison until a day or so ago. Suddenly, in the past few days, I've seen multiple people use RBG as an argument against Biden.

This is absolutely astroturfing.

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[–] MudMan@kbin.social 24 points 8 months ago (18 children)

Yeah, I'm confused about this take. RBG should have stepped down because by not doing it she created the opportunity for Trump to tilt the majorities in the Supreme Court. Notably, nobody had the balls to criticise her for it, even after she died and made that exact thing happen.

If Biden dies in office Trump doesn't get to pick the vice president. And somehow he still gets constant crap despite the other guy being just as old.

We're doing "but her emails" again. I thought we weren't gonna do "but her emails" again.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what "mistake" Biden could be repeating here. If he dies in office, Harris becomes President.

If they want to argue that if he dies before the election that leaves the Democrats with no clear candidate which would lead to a Trump win they need to be more clear about that.

Harris, undoubtably, would see herself as the candidate as the sitting President, which makes sense, see Johnson - 1964, but her unpopularity even among her own staff would make her unelectable.

But that's not a Biden problem and that's not the same mistake Ginsberg made.

[–] Extra_Special_Carbon@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

My only real concern is if he dies after getting on the ballot, but before January 20th. We need him in a plastic bubble those months.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

There's a fantastic novel on the topic called "The People's Choice" by Jeff Greenfield of all people.

Here's the scenario:

Election happens, winner dies, but he dies before the electoral certification.

VP thinks he's the candidate, but he isn't.

The 2nd place finisher argues he should be President as the next largest vote getter.

Faithless electors then decide who becomes President.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Funny how they never seem to mention trumps age even though they are almost the same age...

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

That's not how the presidency works? If he dies, the Senate can't hold the presidency open until they place a Republican in there. Kamala Harris just steps into the position.

But then again, this is Business Insider.

[–] Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone 13 points 8 months ago (100 children)

Manufactured outrage. It’s not like he could legally do another term after he’s elected in ‘24.

He’s extremely competent, ethical, and experienced.

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[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

oh fuck off

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[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

RBG was a Supreme Court Justice with a lifetime appointment.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So we’d get president Harris. What’s the issue?

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago

Normally I would not like that outcome, but considering that the alternative is a man who thinks “indictment” starts with the letter N, I can stomach it.

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