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I'm talking about before we figured out we could grow vegetables and fruits. Early humans are often shown as being fit and in shape, yet our diet pretty much only consisted of meat. We were hunters. So why the hell were they so fit? I thought a healthy diet mattered more than just being active constantly?

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[–] TheBard@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why would early humans have a mostly meat diet? There's plenty of foragable herbs, vegetables, and fruits to eat. Go to anywhere near the equator. Bananas grow on the trees.

We also have archeological evidence that producing beer happened before agriculture. So us humans were clearly pretty experimental with food.

Ancient humans probably ate a great diversity of plant life than we did!

[–] fritobugger@vlemmy.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The fruits and vegetables that we know today are nothing like those from 10k years ago. Bananas of today didn't exist even a few 100 years ago.

[–] Alatain@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes but there were and still are wild, edible fruit and vegetables. Humans were hunter gatherers. We have always eaten whatever we could get a hold of. We're omnivores for a reason.

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[–] parrot-party@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The wild ancestors of our modern food did exist. And there's a reason we have highly advanced cultivars of those foods, it's because people were eating them before they were cultivated. Once agriculture started, people took the foods they regularly foraged and started to grow them. Then they would replant the ones they liked and toss/eat the seeds of the ones they didn't. Do that a few thousand years and you've got highly edible and great tasting produce, but it all started with people trying to grow what they already ate.

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[–] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bananas grow on the trees.

Bananas grow on a herbaceous flowering plant.

[–] an_ayylien@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Keep in mind that there is no such thing as a tree. They are tall and sturdy and woody and have a bunch of leaves on top, it is not unreasonable to call a banana plant a tree. Hell, the Wikipedia page for "Tree" goes back and forth on broader and narrower definitions and whether bananas and bamboo and so on count within them.

[–] yuun@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

what I get from this comment is that trees are the crabs of the plant world

edit ~ oh, yes, that's actually more or less the central idea of your link and the first comparison made. I'm still working on my morning coffee...

[–] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Your source claims

Wood ... is also not a clear phyletic category.

However we all know wood is that which is scary.

[–] FiskFisk33@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your premise is wrong, our diet has never consisted pretty much only of meat. We were hunter-gatherers, gatherer being a very important part of that phrase.

The diet of the earliest hominins was probably somewhat similar to the diet of modern chimpanzees: omnivorous, including large quantities of fruit, leaves, flowers, bark, insects and meat.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273/

[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mmmmmm... nothing gets me hungry like the thought of squirming insects!

[–] atimholt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Hakuna Matata!

[–] yenahmik@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

You have a false premise. Early humans did not eat primarily meat. It was a well balanced diet of about 65% animal products and 35% plant based. Source

Also, there was less specialization of roles, so people simply did more physical labor than people today, who sit at a desk 8hrs a day.

[–] gmatkins@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never seen a photo of a fit caveman.

[–] Graphine@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Pppsh. Everyone knows Encino Man is an accurate representation of a caveman body.

[–] Hillock@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

A healthy diet doesn't matter more for being fit than exercise. You can eat as healthy as you want but if you don't exercise you won't grow muscles. A person mostly eating junk food but working out regularly will be stronger, faster, and better looking.

A healthy diet is important for longevity. And if can speed up your fitness journey but it will never replace what regular exercise does.

Probably because meat was only a small fraction of their diet.

Most cavemen were foragers, they would also fish, and look for a lot of things that were edible. Wild fruits and berries, roots, primitive plants ancestors of the ones that are now cultivated, etc.

Meat meant hunting, and hunting was dangerous, long and difficult. After a while, they would move on once game got rarer.

So, no, meat was not their only source of food.

[–] karbairusa@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I mean, you gotta understand that we worked hard as fuck for our food. We ran that shit down for miles after miles and did lots of physical labor.

So, even if our diet was mostly meat, that didn't mean we were unhealthy or fat. You can eat straight meat and be fit. You need the protein in the first place.

[–] InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Humanity's main method of hunting was basically just "follow prey at a steady pace and let it tire itself out before we do". So they pretty much did a hell of a lot of cardio.

[–] CynAq@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yup!

Cheetahs are the fastest land animal for top speed and almost all fours legged animal is de facto faster than us. But two things we can do best, being smart (noticing patterns, imagination and language) and walking, we do mind bogglingly better than our nearest competition.

Those two go together.

Opposable thumbs and the brain power to use hands evolved earlier in hominids. Our line of the ancestry kept getting smarter and smarter with brains that required more and more energy as our ancestors kept evolving. To feed their enormously powerful brain, the species needed to make the body as efficient as possible, which led to our feet changing to support bipedal locomotion, which enabled our long distance hiker superpower through more efficient energy usage compared to four legged walking, even though four can go much faster, and left our hands free to do whatever we want all the time. Our bodies lost almost all hair, and evolved to sweat excessively, which gave us the ability to keep cool while we literally walked large animals to death from hyperthermia, simply by walking after them until they dropped dead.

[–] fritobugger@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yup, that is my understanding. Constantly on the move, working hard, and eating lean meats since the animals were wild game not factory fattened.

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[–] Ostrichgrif@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also not an expert but we weren't just hunters, we were hunter gatherers. One group hunted animals while the other group would pick wild berries, fruit, wild vegetables or whatever other edible plants they could find. Not to mention what the other person said about animals with a balanced diet having much healthier meat than the factory farmed animals of today.

[–] livus@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

The diets of most hunter gatherer tribes today are only about 30% meat. It was probably the same back then.

[–] Geronimo@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I guess Darwin's law, hominids were fit but what was their average life span? 25?

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

fit? possibly - or not, art of fit healthy people sells better than art of average slovenly people. artists need to eat too.

fitness aside, our ancient hunter/gatherer ancestors didnt live very long - hunting/gathering for survival is not a task that engenders longevity, especially when you're tens of thousands of years away from discovering metal.

and then when we discovered farming/animal husbandry, we started having issues with diseases & plague. the average lifespan didnt noticeably increase, despite there being less active threats (baring war and famine, of course).

[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Meat and organs is an almost complete food source. You’ll get sufficient vitamin D with lots of sun. Throw in berries and eggs and other foraged items and it’s a very healthy diet.

[–] scrof@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not exactly sure on the fitness standards. If you look at indigenous African tribes that still hunt baboon in the night they don't look especially fit by today's standards, kinda like average people really, although I'm sure they're beasts on the endurance front and they can shoot a baboon off a tree in the darkness of night with a makeshift bow which is mad impressive.

[–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think it did. From memory, biological anthropologists who study the diets of hunter-gatherer societies today, typically find it's about 30% meat, and goes through periods of scarcity.

It was probably similar.

[–] FIST_FILLET@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

physical labor, it has nothing to do with meat (which you shouldn't eat if you value your health or like dogs)

[–] Ostrichgrif@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What does liking dogs have to do with eating meat lol

[–] Graphine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You trying to tell me you don't like dog meat?

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[–] nasal_demon@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meat isn't poison, and in most cultures almost never comes from dogs. I'm a vegan myself, but your arguments sound ridiculous.

[–] FIST_FILLET@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

yeah maybe it was a pretty weird way of making my point, my bad. i just wanted to point out that if you are a person who likes dogs and wouldn't dream of hurting one, it's weird to not show the same respect for other animals

meat isn't straight poison, but it's not good for your heart

[–] Nimgwen@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I mean meat is high on protein which is what you need to build muscle mass which is one of the requisites for being fit. Then running around all day chasing animals to eat them is gonna give you some really insane cardio, plus developed muscle from carrying around the prey and the hunting gear. So I have not idea what are you talking about, also pretty sure ancient humans already knew about edible plants and fungi.

[–] berkeleyblue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Beaides what others said about wild berrys and plants, keep in mind that the live expectancy was 30-40 while most people didn’t even survive until their 5th year of age.

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Then how did people in the Bible live to be 900? /s

[–] berkeleyblue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Beaides what others said about wild berrys and plants, keep in mind that the live expectancy was 30-40 while most people didn’t even survive until their 5th year of age.

I'm out camping right now, and know of a dozen species of edible wild plant within 100 feet of me. I guarantee early humans knew of more edible plants than I do, and ate them regularly.

[–] ymalki@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Im deleting this comments

[–] kosmicpulse@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Firstly, after consuming meat, they were not sitting in an AC room glued to their smartphones or laptops. They had natural cardio. Second, animal meat that we consume today, those are bred by us specifically for meat production. It ain’t healthy.

[–] Wigglehard@exploding-heads.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They had a super high protein diet and were hunter gatherers constantly on the move, only the most physically dominant men survived, and the most physically dominant men found physically dominant woman to be attractive because to them what was hot was a woman that could kill a fucking deer with her bare hands. I’m guessing they really only ate a high fatty high-protein diet of meat, mixed with wild fruits and vegetables, and such, however, life expectancy was really low even though they were probably in pretty good shape. the reality is that back in those days people were a lot stronger and a lot taller because big strong men fucked big, strong woman and it wasn’t until people got more comfortable on farms that they decided to go for the cute girl with the fat ass and big titties, that was 5 foot four that’s creating shorter weaker men. I’ve read old Roman accounts of when they were facing off against Germanic and Viking like tribes, and they basically described it like our average man was about 5‘,7“ tall fighting a 6 foot, eight barbarian with a gigantic battle axe. This is the reason why the Romans deferred to very large, broad shields, and a stabbing sword so that way when they raised that battle axe real high they could take the initial hit with their shield, and then stab them in their gut

[–] SaladFragments@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bro's out here writing fan faction

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[–] AmoldyBuffalo@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is my non-expert answer, but iirc, if the animals you're eating are eating a well balanced diet, you can actually be mostly carnivorous. If anybody who actually knows what they're talking about knows that I'm wrong, feel free to call me out.

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