Unpopular Opinion

Pffft, you're one of those people who believe Columbus was real? Wake up sheeple, he was an invention by Big Explore to sell more maps!

I believe the moon landing was faked.

Hopefully you are a troll, or bored and looking for engagement, or just want to feel special, like you're in on something.

In case you aren't, we left stuff on the moon, brought stuff back from the moon, shot loads of fairly boring videos on the moon.

The fact that we landed on the moon isn't in dispute. Since your belief was not come to logically, logic will not unravel it.

I hope you do not reproduce.

How and why would it be faked? The technology to fake it didn't exist, so unless you don't believe in the moon, it would have been more difficult to fake it than to actually do it. Also, are the new Artemis missions going to be fake too or are they real? You do realize it's harder to go to the moon from earth than to the americas from europe, right?

Both points are invalidated by the same thing. The Union of soviet Socialist Republics, aka the USSR.

Spy Klaus Fuchs gave Stalin the secrets of the Atom Bomb long before the Trinity testing.

Similarly, the USSR was in direct competition with the USA through out the Space Race. Both sides were desperate to see where the other side was. If the Moon landings were faked, the Soviets would have produced proof instantly. Remember, they had powerful radars and radio scanners that could follow the Apollo craft.

Finally, the biggest expense in getting to the Moon is getting the ship into Earth orbit. Once free of Earth's gravity it's no problem to travel to the Moon.

You cannot compare this in any way to Columbus. Going to the moon is not like floating down a current across an ocean that's been crossable for humans for thousands of years. The moon itself is not a land of largely untapped resources. There is very little reward for a very extreme venture.

What this conspiracy means to me is that 50 years ago the public discourse of this country was controlled by educated people who knew what science and engineering was capable of, and for better and worse that is no longer the case and people don't even believe in intelligence anymore. This is also just my opinion with no proof and badly written.

You mean the project where the only reason there was any secrecy was that none of the people had any part of the wide reaching project (Oppenheimer, Einstein, and all the others were pretty much kept way away from eachother) and was almost brought down as a secret in the group by one of the guys being an amateur safe cracker? That Manhattan Project?

The one where everybody near Los Alamos knew that something big was happening, because they were actively hiring during the War?

The one that had so many close calls to they’re working on some kind of bomb that by the time the war was over you had people involved blabbing, to the point the Rosenbergs happened?

The Manhattan project, the one that the editor of a science fiction magazine (I think it was Astounding) figured out was happening because all the physicists who subscribed suddenly changed their addresses to Los Alamos?

We’re talking about the Manhattan project that Kodak had clearance to know about (and even got advanced warnings about tests) because they figured it out when radioactive fallout from the tests contaminated their x-ray film? That one?

Or are we talking about the manhattan project that the soviets got wind of before the FBI even knew, thieved all the technical data and that's why they had nuclear weaponry four years after the US?

Your ace in the hole is all hole and no ace

Apparently you either didn't read the wiki you posted or you completely ignored the fact that atomic spies did in fact steal information from the Manhattan project which was very clearly posted in the article you provided so your point about it being kept secret is false.

You are comparing places that humans discovered and came back to on earth to a place 238,855 miles outside the planet.

Birds aren't real.

An opinion revolves around a preference, such as “I like pineapple on pizza”. That can’t be refuted as it’s a preference and something that be logically proved: “there is pineapple on that pizza”.

However you’re attempting to argue against a proven fact. That is not something this sub is for. Please keep it to preference based opinions, not arguing facts.

We haven't gone back because there isn't a reason to. There's little new to test that we can't otherwise test in simulated moon gravity, and no real discernable resources worth harvesting. We can't stay long-term yet, so any and every trip is expensive as hell for a very short visit. It's close enough that we can use optics to observe it in detail, and many types of scans can also be done from planetside. Going back right now takes a lot of money, a lot of risk, and there's little reward to be had. We'll go back when we're ready to settle for longer periods of time.

point #1

No, it wasn't. We didn't keep the secret. USSR successfully stole secrets. They also knew we were up to an atomic bomb. I don't know why you think they didn't.

Point #2

Imagine if someone told you that Europeans never went back to the New World after Columbus.

That would be ridiculous because there was good free unclaimed land. While it's never explicitly said, free unclaimed land requires oxygen, food, and water. Otherwise it's not land you can live on, it's land you can work on while someone keeps you alive.

We should have the Moon setup like it was in the Sam Rockwell movie: Moon by now.

Why? In the arctic we can measure the weather of the poles, study long term isolation of humans. We don't need to provide water or air, transportation is cheap compared to the moon. The marianas trench allows us to study formation of the earth, genetics of crazy offshoots of earth biology. Evacuation procedure is UP, taking hours. Moon trip is 6 days round trip, can't be cancelled or evacuated. Both are drops in the bucket in price vs the moon.

With the moon you can... well what? A telescope could be awesome but if you're going that far you could also just drop one off at a Lagrange point of the earth. Mining sounds great until you realize that bringing the resources home require either an entire manufacturing hub on the moon to launch resources at earth. You won't see returns for decades, any fuck up could ruin it all. Telescopes are unmanned, so drop it somewhere and it lasts as long as it lasts.

I believe the moon landing was faked.

• The USSR acknowledged that we made it, there's no reason for them to lie.

• We plopped retroreflectors on the moon, so you can shoot lasers at them and bounce them back.

• multiple groups were able to track the missions via radio transmissions, which isn't someone saying "oh look they said they're in space so they must be" It's mutiple locations saying. "I'm recieving this signal from this direction at this time. Judging from all this data, they're halfway to the moon."

• Why would we lie about it? If it's about stealing the money that went into it we already have 60% of the pentagon budget unaccounted for. If it's about deceiving the soviets how could we possibly trick them? If it's about raising nationalism why not pull an FDR and minimize poverty?

just... no. If you want to push this then you need some hard evidence. You're the one making the extraordinary claim.

As an aside, do you also think the James Webb telescope fake? That is as nuts as the moon landing, and is still friggin THERE.

You do know we went multiple times, right?

We stopped going when public interest died down and the risk to cost ratio didn't justify more trips to the moon. We switched the focus to orbital shenanigans like space stations and putting telescopes in orbit.

Point #2 is weird. Why is it relevant that just because we've been somewhere we must have gone back?

Idk, doesn’t seem like there’s much to do on the moon. You can grab some rocks and bounce around.

If you think that USSR (and the rest of the world) did not know that US was developing nukes, you are mistaken. Oh, by the way, USSR even stole some secrets.

The only other possibility is if Congress, and therefore a large proportion of the entire United States of American society, were broken.

But if that were true, we'd see chaos in the streets, where people not being able to afford basic needs like houses or even food, would revolt and strike out in random shootings, at schools, churches, sports stadiums, parades and wherever else people gather together...

Shit.

You're a fucking idiot

Utter nong.