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Scientists aghast at bizarre AI rat with huge genitals in peer-reviewed article | It's unclear how such egregiously bad images made it through peer-review.::It's unclear how such egregiously bad images made it through peer-review.

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[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 53 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The first image from the article:

[–] oDDmON@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] aleonem@lemmy.today 12 points 8 months ago

testtomcels. Test them cells, they're too big

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Not sure what's bothering everyone, it's clearly a very normal rat. It's even helpfully labelled "Rat" in case you're not sure.

Just a rat and its perfectly normal dck.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

At that point it's the dick that got a rat πŸ˜†

[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

It's not a rat. It's clearly a grouping of "senctolic stem cells"

I saw this posted yesterday without context, I didn't realize this came from an actual published paper. Yikes.

[–] SirBucksworth@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me of that old southpark episode where Randy gets ball-cancer

[–] GustavoFring@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Buffalo soljah

[–] Haagel@lemmings.world 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"It's unclear how such egregiously bad images made it through peer-review."

That's because the paper wasn't peer-reviewed at all. In fact, the majority of published medical and psychological papers are never reviewed or replicated.

The scientific method has sold out to the profit incentive, at least in academia.

[–] Researchgrant@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This article was supposedly reviewed. The reviewers are listed on the article's web page. This publisher is normally reputable, so I'd tend to believe it, even though the image was obviously not properly scrutinized. The article was also retracted after 3 days. I'm not saying there are no problems with science publications, but the things you are saying are not true for this one case. Also this is a secondary source, so there is no original data here, just an article citing a lot of primary sources to summarize the topic. So, the replication issue doesn't even apply to this paper. Again all valid issues in general, but not so much here...

[–] Haagel@lemmings.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Please read the Wikipedia article about the replication crisis that I've linked. This is a widespread problem. Even the most prestigious cancer research institute in the world, Dana-Farber, has admitted to egregious forgery and plagiarism of their formerly published research.

"Publish or perish" indeed...

[–] Researchgrant@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I did read that article the first time you linked it. Can you go back and read my reply again? I agreed that there is a problem with reproducibility, but that has nothing to do with a paper where no experiments were done.

[–] Haagel@lemmings.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So it's OK to publish "research" that's been generated by AI so long as there are no experiments involved? I'm sorry. I don't understand what you're getting at.

There has clearly been a massive decline in academic integrity lately, as evidenced by this ridiculous paper and so many others. Why should any of it be excusable?

[–] Researchgrant@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's like I'm taking to a wall. I completely agree with you that this article is egregious. I'm simply pointing out that your talking points were completely invalid when it comes to this, and bringing up reproducibility and non peer reviewed articles retracts from the point that this article followed those rules and was still published. Blame the reviewers, blame the editor, blame the fame hungry scientists, but bringing up totally unrelated problems with science pubs makes you sound like an idiot, which clearly you are. Go ahead and reply again l. I will not bother reading it.

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

Review and replication are completely different things. If publications had to replicate results during review nothing would get published and submission fees would be through the roof

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago

At this point somebody should really create a /c/Aipocalypse community or something to collect stuff like this.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The impact of image and text generators on scientific research is a blessing disguised as a curse, as it shows how sloppy (or in this case, non-existent) reviewing has become.

Perhaps it's time to review the reviewing?

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

The article in question is titled "Cellular functions of spermatogonial stem cells in relation to JAK/STAT signaling pathway," which was authored by three researchers in China, including the corresponding author Dingjun Hao of Xi’an Honghui Hospital. It was published online Tuesday in the journal Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology.

The issue of fake papers coming out of China has been known as an epidemic for at least a decade. "Publish or perish" is a worldwide problem but it's another level there.

AI just makes this funnier.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

About a decade back, a reputable scientist published an article in a top journal in his field, "proving" that people are able to see the future. People said the same thing then, but I doubt anything has changed.

[–] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

When people use AI for their article, and other people use AI to peer review...

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The journal is: Frontiers in Cell and Developmental Biology

Non-rhetorical question: Is there any journal with "Frontiers" in the name that is not a bit lawless?

To me, it implies that the journal is more "open-minded", for better or worse.

[–] ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't have the answer to your question, but have you looked at the article? I don't think any journal would typically be publishing utter nonsense as the images in it

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Not a reputable journal. Not one where science actually takes place. But there are journals for anything, including journals where the peer-review is limited to your payment.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Appall and scorn ripped through scientists' social media networks Thursday as several egregiously bad AI-generated figures circulated from a peer-reviewed article recently published in a reputable journal.

But, looking closer only reveals more flaws, including the labels "dissilced," Stemm cells," "iollotte sserotgomar," and "dck."

Many researchers expressed surprise and dismay that such a blatantly bad AI-generated image could pass through the peer-review system and whatever internal processing is in place at the journal.

One scientific integrity expert questioned whether it provide an overly complicated explanation of "how to make a donut with colorful sprinkles."

The image is supposed to provide visual representations of how the signaling pathway from Figure 2 regulates the biological properties of spermatogonial stem cells.

As such, research journals have recently set new authorship guidelines for AI-generated text to try to address the problem.


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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

ah yes, the wonders of predatory publishing