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[–] corporateHippie@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I recommend checking out Fairphone. The phone is completely modular so when something breaks, you can buy a new part and replace it yourself.

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[–] stn@kayb.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is great. I have the Fairphone 4, which does have a couple of issues, but the fact that the battery can be replaced will increase the usable lifespan of the phone.

I have a Pixel 2 used for messing about with Lineage, but the battery only lasts fifteen minutes, but is otherwise still a great phone. If it was easy enough to swap out that battery, I'd probably still be using it as my main.

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[–] DarkOoze@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm fine with internal batteries, but please use some form of standard cell size and connector.

[–] mateoinc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The EU already standarized chargers IIRC.

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[–] nickk@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I wonder how something like this could affect waterproofing.

[–] stn@kayb.ee 7 points 1 year ago

It typically does impact waterproofing, but the majority of use cases won't encounter an issue.

In saying that, though, the Fairphone 4 has pulled off an IP54 rating, so there's still hope!

[–] lemillionsocks@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

There are plenty of devices with removable batteries that are water proof. A gasket and some screws should do the trick.

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[–] HelixTitan@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Man I wish the US regulatory body would throw some wrenches like this at the tech companies here. They need a wake up call, start with breaking up Meta. Right to repair is also often gutted

[–] MrMeatballGuy@feddit.dk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US leans very heavily into capitalism, so passing laws that make companies less money probably isn't what the government has as a priority unfortunately. Companies can make a lot more money selling you a new device than selling you a battery, even if the battery has crazy markups like most manufacturers that have replacement batteries available do.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'll admit that I haven't had battery problems for a long time, but I still think that this is a great idea if it can prolong the usage of other hardware.

Usually the software bugs down before the battery, and even with replacement batteries there will still be an issue of what to do with the spent batteries. Can they be revived or clustered for other purposes etc.?

I know that used batteries from cars are still valuable as storage even when they are at half capacity or less, but phone batteries are so small that it isn't feasible.

Hopefully this will push the manufactures into a different direction than the current use and discard strategy. European companies will soon have to file environmental reports, but with batteries coming from Asia, I'm not sure what effect EU will have. Chain responsibility isn't really there yet.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I disagree. In my experience the battery is the first thing to fail in a phone, and I've gotten significant extra life out of a phone by being able to replace the battery.

[–] edgerunneralexis@dataterm.digital 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wish this would and bring replaceable phone batteries back to the US as well, since it would theoretically be easier for brands to just have a single model for all countries, but unfortunately I highly doubt that we'll be the case, as demonstrated by Apple taking extra effort to put geolocation code in their phones that unlocks "sideloading" when you are in Europe but then locks it again when you're outside of your Europe. As it turns out the extra effort it takes to create an exception to your hardware and software for Europe is far outweighed by the extra profit of being able to keep giving a more locked down products to everyone else.

[–] heluecht@pirati.ca 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

@withersailor Hopefully it doesn't end here, but also includes the option to easily replace parts and to forbid using glued parts.

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[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I had the battery for my OnePlus 6T replaced, extending the phone lifetime for probably 2 years. It cost me about $100.

Forcing manufacturers to make batteries easily replaceable by the user without special tools and skills seems like it could make phones less lightweight and less waterproof. I would be fine if they just require manufactures to make it available as a reasonably priced service.

[–] abcd@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

This is great news! Even better than the USB-C regulation. Changing a battery on a modern phone is a huge pita… And it’s definitely getting worse since some companies are trying everything to prevent you from doing so…

I would absolutely buy a phone twice as thick as my iPhone SE 2020 if it has an easily swappable battery. Bonus points if it is able to be used as an actual phone without a case to prevent it from dying instantly from a light breeze or some evil look by a person…

[–] LevelUp@dataterm.digital 5 points 1 year ago
[–] Chapi_Chan@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

About time. I got two batteries on my Samsung Omnia i900. Is faster than carrying a clumsy external battery. Instantaneous 100%

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes please! That would seriously be a dream come true. At this point, battery packs are super small, but they still need to come with a wire even if it's just like a 6 inch wire. Being able to care one or two spare batteries I can swap out would be amazing.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

non-replaceable batterys are also safety hazard. what if one starts swelling up due to age or fault? Only reason why they started doing that is so phones would become unusable faster.

[–] Parallax@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

To be fair though, I've never heard of a modern phone battery swelling. That's something that will happen years after it's EOL, and at that point the company is no longer obligated to supply a replacement (as ideal as that would be).

An integrated battery allows the company to minimize the size and design of the phone. It's not 100% greed and planned obsolescence, though its virtually guaranteed those are components of the design decision.

I want replaceable batteries too. But I want them to be standard so I don't need 3 chargers for each company's phone. And I want them to be sleek like modern phones so they fit in my hand and pocket like I'm familiar with.

[–] TheMcG@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was only 6 years ago Samsung note 7's were exploding all over the place.

As for chargers eu has already mandated usb-c interface so that's already solved.

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[–] Spitfire@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t this affect water resistance? One argument for “sealed” devices is better protection against water/dust/debris.

I’m all for allowing easier replacements and repairs for the consumer (No reason a device should be unusable after a few years due to a battery), but I can see this issue being brought up.

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[–] narc0tic_bird@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

While that's great, what I'm more concerned about is pricing for original replacement batteries. I don't really care if I have to send my phone in for 2 to 3 days (which is what it took last time I sent an iPhone 11 Pro to Apple), what concerns me more is pricing. Especially with older phones, having to pay $69 to $89 for battery repair (plus shipping) is quite a lot. Self-service parts cost the exact same price from Apple currently.

The EU should forbid charging more for replacement or repair parts than the cost to manufacture them plus a small (!) markup.

Also, please extend this law to include all kinds of electronics (smartwatches, laptops, tablets etc.).

Especially AirPods and other true wireless earbuds should have replaceable batteries, as they are basically dead after 3 to 5 years, which just feels wrong considering everything except the batteries probably lasts a lot longer and when you get an expensive "battery repair" they just give you new AirPods.

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[–] Cstrrider1@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like replaceable batteries but there is no doubt that the simplified unibody designs have other benefits besides the planned obsolescence companies seek. Battery life or thickeness will certainly take a hit. I feel like having some form of incentives for more repairable phones would work better to bring better, more renuable options without blockingotherr designs

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