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European leaders have called for greater unity and military cooperation across the continent in response to comments from Donald Trump that threatened to undermine the basis of Nato.

Donald Tusk, Poland’s prime minister, said on a visit to Paris on Monday that there was “no alternative” to the EU and the transatlantic alliance before a summit in which he discussed deepening defence relationships with the French president, Emmanuel Macron.

“It is probably here in Paris that the words from The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas resonate most clearly: ‘All for one, and one for all,’” said Tusk, in a thinly veiled riposte to the former US president and frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

At what point does this guy become such a liability, that the CIA carries out "Operation Orange Peel"?

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 6 points 7 months ago

Hopefully Secret Service is keeping tabs on this guy and microphoned his hair flap.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't think the CIA is on his side? His aims seem aligned with theirs.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

To a point. The CIA suddenly lost a lot of human assets in 2021. At around the same time, the National Archives had been asking Trump to please kindly return all the classified documents he has at Mar-a-Lago. We don't know for sure that one led to the other, but the CIA has to be thinking about it.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

You and I don't know for sure. The CIA knows exactly what was in those documents.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

America is quickly loosing the strong leadership persona it's held for decades due to the utter stupidity of its leaders (both former and current). Biden has been lax on his oversight, but in fairness to him he had a shitshow to contend with in dealing with the fallout from Jan 6.

Come Nov Americans had better figure it out before everything it's worked for goes spinning down the drain.

[–] sab@kbin.social 61 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Biden is fine. It's your fascist problem we're worried about.

Sincerely,
Europe

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As an American it’s equally annoying how people cannot fucking see what a great job Biden has done overall. Land of the Free, Home of the Dumb

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That’s because democrats are laughably horrible at championing their own successes. In contrast, republicans will drop a steaming pile of shit on the Speaker of the House’s desk, walk outside in front of the news cameras, and start screeching about how hard they’re winning.

As always, democrats are their own worst enemy.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

That's also to do with their voting base. Biden's numbers went down partly because he tried to take a victory lap on the economy without the economy being better for most Americans.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a little much to call them dumb when wages haven't gone up by nearly as much as literally everything else has.

[–] TheDarkKnight@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As compared to what? The inflationary rates of the rest of the world? Because things cost more everywhere and comparatively the US weathered that better than about anywhere else. Real Wages have also have increased a lot to compensate in comparison as well. US is smoking other countries in this regard. People ARE dumb because they lack the critical thinking skills to actually look what’s going on.

The Inflation rate is lower than most other countries AND real wages have risen much more in America compared to peer countries as well. Each one of them would trade their numbers with the US in a heartbeat.

Feelings aren't facts, turns facts are facts. And the fact is when measuring real numbers Biden has absolutely crushed it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/sep/01/joe-biden/does-the-us-have-less-inflation-than-other-leading/

https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-got-bigger-raises-than-g7-over-last-few-years-2023-7?op=1

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Do you really think Americans are comparing their economy to those of other countries?

Don't be silly.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I don't give a fuck what's going on in other countries. I need to put food on the table for my family.

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[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think it probably started with George W. Bush and especially the way he reacted to 9/11. The way they've been winding back those mistakes has been milquetoast at best.

Terrorists win.

[–] ngdev@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Loosing isn't the right word

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

How convenient for countries that consider the USA unfriendly.

Hey didn't that Tucker guy just have an interview with Putin? What now?

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

It should have been clear 7 years ago that Europe can't rely on US any more. Hoping US will become a rational partner again and dragging their feet on real action is probably equal part inertia and corruption. Hopefully they will wake up sooner than they did with Russia and energy independence.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Republicans have become pawns of Putin. They will never be reliable for anything but obstruction

[–] frezik@midwest.social 11 points 7 months ago

You're not wrong; Angela Merkel outright said it about 6 years ago. I can't find a reference right now, but I believe she even clarified that this conclusion had been building even before Trump was in office.

[–] mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Hoping US will become a rational partner again

Unlikely, 40% of our country supports a seditionist authoritarian.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

Trump and conservatives, eroding the U.S. global position every day.

Making the country weaker on the global table, while also making it poorer, less capable, and generally less stable.

[–] lemmus@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

ETO: European Treaty Organization. Cut the US out and problem solved.

No longer following imperialistic US foreign policy in the name of collective defense.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, Marine Le Pen and others are also casting a shadow over Europe. Keep voting for strong candidates to keep the likes of her and the AFD out. It's very important the world weather this storm.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Orban is no prize, as another example. But it sounds like Poland turned things around in the last election?

[–] sab@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also get rid of Turkey while we're at it. If I were forced to fight down there I'd fight along the Kurds.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

It's hard to overstate the strategic importance of the Bosporus Strait

[–] sab@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

Of course - and hopefully soon Erdogan will rot and someone more worthy will take over. I'm not saying we should stop considering Turkey allies, I just don't want to depend on them that's all.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I think the relevant question is how hard would it be to take the Greek side of the strait in a war case?

And how quickly would a Greece-Turkey war kick off if they weren't in an alliance anymore?

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[–] suction@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Small note, make it ETO‘O: European Treaty Organisation Operations.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Trump is doing a great job!

... At cutting the US out of the world, which won't crash our economy at all.

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

He's doing a great job bringing the world together. Against him. What a leader!

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this exactly what Trump wants?

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The main reason Trump is saying these things is that it's already abundantly clear that every country in Europe will be hitting their NATO funding target in the next few years anyway. They've all made plans to that effect anyway. So Trump can make it look like he did it, when in reality it had already been decided.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the clear explanation, I wasn't aware.

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