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It would seem the design that can survive the most extinctions would be the clear winner in the end.

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[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ultimately, it's selecting for crabs. Crabs are perfection. There is no escaping carcinization.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

There's a great episode in Eons about convergent evolution and crabs specifically.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

I always thought it seemed like mother nature was feeling a little crabby.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

There's isn't anything doing selecting. A gene mutates and if it stays in the mating cycle enough times to become part of the species as a whole then it's become "selected". That includes things that aren't good for adapting to an environment as well as things that are.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This makes me wonder, why are there no 100% albino species considering albinos can be found in every species and can only produce other albino offspring when paired with other albinos?

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Aren't there, in blind cave species where there's no pressure to select for coloring to protect from the sun or to camouflage or display for mates?

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If they can only albino offspring when paired with other albinos that indicates it’s a recessive gene.

Recessive genes don’t take over gene pools unless they confer some survival advantage.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

And usually albinos are at a distinct disadvantage. Their camouflage doesn't work, or their mating colors aren't present, or they get burned up by the sun, or a hundred other disadvantages depending on the species and environment.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Differential reproductive success does the selecting: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2009/2009-h/2009-h.htm

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago

Survivability and reproducibility, yes.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’d say adaptability would be priority in an environment that is subject to frequent change. Environments that are largely static probably favor efficiency.

[–] Fluke@discuss.online 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Countless examples going both directions. I wouldn't call crocodilians super adaptable, but they are so well tuned for their specific environs that they've been largely unchanged for 94 MILLION years.

I would argue that being warm blooded makes an animal more adaptable. Interestingly, it seems cold blooded reptiles evolved into warm blooded archosaurs which eventually led to cold blooded crocodilians. Tellingly, these active warm blooded ancestors are all extinct in favor of the passive, cold blooded, low adaptability ambush predator.

In the opposite direction, the adaptable rat has done much better than the countless specialized species that have disappeared since the industrial revolution and human explosion.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The thing about coastal areas is they’ll always be a part of Earth’s biosphere. Unlike plains or deserts or deciduous forests, which don’t have to exist, and can completely disappear, coastlines and estuaries can only move, never disappear.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A coastline absolutely can vanish(submerged) or be against geography, such as rocky cliffs, that is unsuitable. "Coastlines can't stop existing, only move" is semantic nonesense.

EDIT: for ya downvoters, where's the coastline on an island that vanishes due to rising sea levels? The Marshall Islands have a max elevation of ~7' and are already having issues with rising sea levels. When the sea rises above them, where does their coastal ecosystem go?

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Natural selection selects for what works well enough. In a more rapidly changing environment, adaptability is what often gets selected for. But in the case of species like the kakapo that live in stable, slowly changing environments, it selects for reproductive stability. The kakapo has a fairly intricate, complicated reproductive cycle that requires specific conditions. This effectively results in their population growth being very very flat. Good for environments that are incredibly stable so they dont really experience boom and bust cycles but if they find themselves in a rapidly changing environment, their population crashes and they dont recover quickly.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

Well you wouldn't want to be a fish out of water now would you

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[–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Not exactly. There are some species which haven't changed all that much for millions of years, and those have certainly managed excellent adaptability.

Others, though, might find themselves evolving to cope with the climate right now at the expense of being vulnerable to some future problem. Say the climate is very hot, but in a few tens of thousands of years there'll be an ice age. An animal which is well adapted to the ice age will probably go extinct before it arrives, having all been eaten by an animal well adjusted to the heat which is here right now.

"In the end" isn't useful if you get outcompeted in the meantime

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

That was one of the points they made about the two big Devonian extinctions. They said it may have involved a warming, followed by an ice age, followed by another warming, all in rapid succession. The cartilaginous fish came through, the armored fish were all wiped out.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are some species which haven't changed all that much for millions of years

Like... crocodiles?

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