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When the leader of Hamas in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, launched his devastating assault on Israel on 7 October, the militant group’s exiled leadership, like the rest of the world, was apparently caught unawares.

From plush penthouses in Beirut, Doha and Istanbul, they watched the carnage that killed 1,200 Israelis unfold, as well as Israel’s retaliatory campaign on the Gaza Strip. In the past four months Israel has killed an estimated 27,600 people, displaced 85% of the 2.3 million population and razed more than half of the besieged Palestinian territory’s infrastructure.

In the early days of the war, while Sinwar’s cadre was calling on Arab peoples across the Middle East to join the fight against Israel, the Doha-based chair of Hamas’s political bureau, Ismail Haniyeh, appeared to focus on damage control. Talks mediated by Egypt, Qatar and the US resulted in a ceasefire and hostage and prisoner swaps at the end of November that lasted seven days before collapsing.

Now, it seems that those roles have reversed. According to reports, it is Sinwar and his men, exhausted from the fighting, who want to reach a temporary truce deal, and Haniyeh’s office that is demanding more concessions and holding out for a complete Israeli withdrawal.

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[–] Vub@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A split in the leadership of the fascist rapist religious terror gang, who would have guessed?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ive read sites saying this, and sites turning it the other way around, saying that Haniyeh wants a deal but Sinwar wants a full ceasefire first.

Sinwar is in Gaza and has full control of Hamas. If he wanted to accept a deal he could accept a deal. Thus these rumors about leaders outside of Gaza blocking anything are baseless.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hamas isn't negotiating directly. They're doing it through Qatar, which gives the "political" side more leverage than you're suggesting.

The story is plausible.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The political side sure has some leverage but I highly doubt it would be possible for them to full on block any deal.

Sinwar's position can be likened to president such as Biden, whereas Haniyeh is more of a negotiator like Blinken.

They might have a slight difference of opinion, but if Sinwar really wanted to accept a temporary truce deal then there is no doubt he outranks Haniyeh.

They have seen how the last temporary ceasefire didn't achieve anything and was even violated multiple times by israel. So they are now pushing for a full ceasefire deal instead of a truce that only delays the Genocide.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think anyone can really know that.

Sinwar's hiding in a tunnel somewhere and is much more likely to be killed imminently. It's Haniyeh that's meeting with Iran, Turkey, and Qatar. Those two don't like each other and Qatar has a better relationship with Haniyeh.

Who knows how he's using that leverage? Who knows how Qatar weighs their positions? It's not knowable for certain.

If Haniyeh says no and Qatar passes it on as a no, what could Sinwar do about it right now? Not a whole lot.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You are indeed right about that. But that would mean that Haniyeh is their only contact person which also seems doubtable.

In any case since the article contains this line

“It is also possible that their positions are not so far apart and the talks are derailing for some other reason. These are very sensitive negotiations, and it doesn’t take much for someone to throw in a wrench if they want to strut about for some personal motivation we don’t know about.”

It seems like we're basically just gossiping without any real evidence. Which makes the headline pure clickbait.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

It could mean that. But it could also mean that they just respect his position as much or more.

And yeah, they absolutely might also be on the same page. The article is clear that these are rumors that aren't verifiable. There isn't a way to easily report on them though. This tracks with reporting about a widening split that's been going on for a long time but we should take it with a grain of salt for sure.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


When the leader of Hamas in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, launched his devastating assault on Israel on 7 October, the militant group’s exiled leadership, like the rest of the world, was apparently caught unawares.

In the early days of the war, while Sinwar’s cadre was calling on Arab peoples across the Middle East to join the fight against Israel, the Doha-based chair of Hamas’s political bureau, Ismail Haniyeh, appeared to focus on damage control.

According to reports, it is Sinwar and his men, exhausted from the fighting, who want to reach a temporary truce deal, and Haniyeh’s office that is demanding more concessions and holding out for a complete Israeli withdrawal.

Such splits in opinion are not uncommon among militant organisations that are geographically scattered, but conflicting messages from the group in recent weeks regarding the talks have added to a sense that internal obstructions may have played a large role in holding up a deal.

A major sticking point appears to be how many and which Palestinians will be released, with the Wall Street Journal reporting that Hamas’s political wing is asking for almost 3,000 prisoners in exchange for just 36 Israeli civilians.

It is possible Netanyahu could be stalling for his own political survival: elements of his far-right coalition are steadfastly opposed to any kind of ceasefire deal, believing it will weaken Israel’s position in the long run, and have threatened to collapse his government.


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