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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (6 children)

And lest someone think this is some hippy-dippy bullshit that will cause all kinds of problems, eliminating national borders would add $100 TRILLION to the global GDP, 2/3 of which would be in the Global South.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

2/3 of which would be in the Global South.

And that's why the borders exist in the first place. The point of money is not wealth, but wealth disparity. Money gives you power over those with less, and borders help enforce that disparity. The poverty is a feature, not a bug.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

That’s a bingo

[–] smiling_big_baby_boy@midwest.social 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Borders must be abolished to sustain the capacity for life to exist, not to aid in the continuation of capitalism. Capitalism is a reactionary death cult maintained by hyper-exploitating all forms of life.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 9 months ago

Even Marx thought that capitalism was an improvement over earlier systems, and he might be correct. But like religion - which helped people cooperate at larger scales than a tribe - it has reached a point where the evils that it inflicts on the world far outweigh any past benefits.

[–] letsgocrazy@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You're going to have to provide some kind of evidence for what you surely must acknowledge is an absurdly bold claim.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

That’s why I added a link.

[–] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 5 points 9 months ago

And would probably depopulate the worst regimes out there.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That link is one of the worst links to explaom somethinf I have seen.

That's such a ludicrous claim it can just be rejected.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Gee, if only you could click the other links to the actual papers. Or had literally any curiosity at all. Maybe then you wouldn’t sound like an ignorant lazy child.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 9 months ago

The thing about being terminally online is that it's incredibly easy to imagine (and see, really) a world without borders. Interacting with people from almost every country in the world daily without even having to put on pants.

[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Guarantee you if we magically eliminated borders world war 3 would erupt the next day as countries desperately redraw them.

Good idea in principle, but not feasible in this day and age. Humans are simply not sociologically advanced enough to sustain that kind of political venture. For starters, humans produce more than enough food to feed the world and yet food insecurity is rampant even in countries with excess.

Open borders will happen when the rest of humanity's shit has been sorted out, not the other way around.

[–] ModsAreCopsACAB@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago

Hippie bullshit.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

The border does divide one society from another. The border usually stops them from tearing each other apart.

We'll get there, but not yet.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -5 points 9 months ago

People divide themselves.

They want to be separated. They want community with people like themselves. They want to be away from people that are not like them. That's why countries divide rather than join. They only tend to expand through war.

Even when you get immigration. Those immigrants then put themselves in their own communities. It's like putting extra borders up in a country.